Those Damn Poor Kids Taking Up Seats In Public Universities
http://www.rightangleblog.com/story/tuition_freeze_a_bad_idea
"the imposition of a price control below market value creates an excess of demand for a scarce supply" - Michael O'Brien on National Review's Phi Beta Cons blog
This is the bull-shit reasoning that conservatives are using to attack tuition freezes.
And not just any conservatives. These guys are conservatives with a focus on higher education attacking working class college students.
Not because they're liberal.
It's because now these poor kids might bump them from getting into a class.
Heaven forbid you might have to work harder than somebody else to prove you deserve an opportunity. You can't just show up and be let in because your dad makes six figures.
Assholes.
Nor does all the poorly understood 1st year micro in ...
... the world change the fact that that rationing by performance results in stronger educational results than rationing by daddy's income level.
Public University education is much, much more than a consumer good ... it is at one and the same time one of the principle investments in general information processing skills that our society makes, and the last opportunity for people from a wide variety of backgrounds to network together ... where such networks are the primary explanatory factor for who gains what well paid job.
Denying a Public University education to the academically talented among the bottom 60% of the income ladder based strictly on income has no substantial economic rationale to back it up, only 1st year introductory microeconomics, poorly understood.
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Oh, Matilda ...
tuition
"affordable" is in the eye of the beholder- Tuition always has a cost, which is paid for by taxpayers, parents, and/or students. The way to keep prices low is to turn universities over to the free market. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for government grants and scholarships, since they simply allow universities to increase their tuition- Why? Because it increases the available money supply. And universities shouldn't be constrained in how much they can charge, simply because they can't be expected to meet the increased demands of a scarce supply.
The best way to keep the cost of college as low as possible would be to completely privatize the higher education system and get it out of the hands of foolish bureaucrats.
I'm waiting for the class warfare response in 3......2.............1.............
You would be a terrible economist.
Bitching about the cost of developing a smarter workforce doesn't get it done.
This has nothing to do with class. It has to do with market forces, stupid.
"price controls below market value always create an excess of demand of a limited supply" - mattn
That "excess of demand of a limited supply" is called COMPETITION. We want college applicants to be COMPETITIVE. We want them to be in that classroom because they are harder workers than their peers.
Not because they're poor.
Not because they can afford your unconstrained prices.
If we remove cost to student as a factor, we can decide which hard workers as worthy of receiving scarce taxpayer-funded education dollars.
If we charge your unconstrained market price, we only get whatever dumb shit that daddy wants to send to get an MBA.
YOU should redirect your misguided emotions and focus on the fact that the university system has NOTHING to do with the fact that YOU WERE A WASTE OF TUITION MONEY.
Dude
According to your scenario of allowing public universities to charge whatever they want, those from middle and lower incomes would find it very difficult to afford a higher education ...
"turn it over to the free market" ... that's code for "screw the little guy."
Really, Nauglette ... Just say no to drugs!
Sorry, Nauggie
Not well. Simply making OSU private won't lower costs; it's a fools argument.
Four fundamental problems with Matty's economic analysis
First, flaw is the unsupported assumption that a tuition freeze would bring state tuition below fair market value. Given that Ohio has one of the highest "public" tuition rates in the nation, and one of the highest number of graduates attending universities out of state, and with Ohio tuition increase higher than the average rate of higher education inflation, it would seem that there is some possible "give" in the tuition rate where a "freeze" caused by an increase in state subsidies (i.e. other sources of funding which prevent the need for the economic actor to raise prices to cover expenses) does not equate to overdemand.
The other is that Matty is a hypocrite. If he truly believed that "taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for government grants and scholarships, since they simply allow universities to increase their tuition- Why? Because it increases the available money supply," then I'm sure that he lived true to his belief and insisted that he and his parents not accept the state subsidy for in-state tuition while he attended The Ohio State University, refused to accept any funding from the Ohio Instructional Grant, or took any Stafford or Direct Loans (subsidized or unsubsidized, but guaranteed by the Federal Government.)
The third is the laughable premise that education is a limited economic good like lumber or coal. Only in Matty's head is knowledge and understanding a scarce supply. Education is an economic factor, just like capitialization, restraints on trade, etc. It is not strictly a good.
The other is this notion that apparently George Washington and the other Founding Fathers of this country, in addition to the Founding Fathers of this State, and President Abraham Lincoln were misguided communists when they created land-grant universities to provide higher education to the public. You know, universities like The Ohio State University.
And of course, he conveniently ignores that the economic prosperity of the 1950s was created, in large part, by the opening up of access to wealth to the middle class caused by the widespread availability to a college education created by the GI Bill after the WWII. Replacing a "non-profit" public good economic theory in higher education with a "for-profit" business good economic theory of higher education would result in a further pricing out of higher education which would be disasterous to our economy.
I, for one, know that I would mostly likely not be a college graduate, let alone a law school graduate, if it was not for the in-state tuition subsidy and state and federal financial aid assistance. And the economy is better off having people like me have more economic oppportunities as a result of being better educated than it would if it let market forces purely dictate who did and did not receive a college education.





economics
All the whiny emotions in the world doesn't change the basic economic fact that price controls below market value always create an excess of demand of a limited supply. Denying that basic economic truism is like saying there is no gravity.
You should redirect your misguided emotions and focus on universities which have far too many employees, overpay for contracts due to prevailing wage rules, and have too many high-paid professors who don't even teach classes. Ohio Universities are models of inefficiency, with tenure systems which resemble the Soviet communist party organization.