The CCV Greatest Misses Collection
Submitted by David Potts on Wed, 06/10/2009 - 4:19pm.
After my post about the bigots at CCV yesterday, a reader sent in this list of some of the groups quotes. It really gives you a sense of how vitriolic these people are.
“Right to read? It’s a bunch of hogwash. You don’t have the right to read anything you want. We have to protect each other from dangerous material.’’
--justifying his anti-pornography crusading, Cincinnati Post, Sept. 17, 1994
"I looked at those pictures and I knew immediately we had a national case on our hands,"
--explaining support for efforts to launch the nation's first ever prosecution of an art museum for pandering obscenity when it displayed photos by Robert Maplethorpe, Chicago Tribune, Oct. 4, 1990. The prosecution was unsuccessful.
“And if the US Supreme Court decides homosexuals are a protected class, oh boy, that's going to change America forever. We are taking on the homosexual agenda in Cincinnati. Make no mistake about it. We're going to take back our City Council. We're going to take back our school board, ‘’
-- in defense of Cincinnati's anti-gay charter amendment, Boston Globe Nov. 25, 1993. Voters later overturned the amendment.
"We saw a stepped program, a plan by gay advocates. It would lead to homosexuality being taught in schools as equal to heterosexuality."
-- On the need for Ohio’s constitutional ban on same-gender marriage, New York Times, Nov. 26, 2004
“I am Phil Burress, Chairman of Equal Rights not Special Rights based in Cincinnati, Ohio… Mr. Kolbe as a self described homosexual means nothing except to say he engages in sodomy. Did you know that in Arizona, sodomy is against the law? Mr. Kolbe should be arrested when he returns to his home state for violating state law. Would you agree that all lawmakers should insist that all laws be enforced? Respectfully, Phil Burress’’
-- Burress’ 2000 response, after openly gay Arizona Republican Rep. Jim Kolbe, spoke to the Republican National Convention about issues of foreign affairs.
So let me repeat, CCV is nothing more than an organization dedicated to making bigotry law and blocking porn because their fearless leader wasn't master of his domain.
Are any of us master of our own domain?
Submitted by Randy on Wed, 06/10/2009 - 8:15pm.
I don't know Phil Burress or the CCV and never heard of them until these posts. But if he is truly a Christian, he admits that he (and everyone else) isn't the master of his own domain.
Paul told the Corinthians that they were just like the homosexuals, the wicked, the idolaters and the prostitutes. He even admitted to being enticed to do the things he knew were wrong.
Somehow, I suspect that Mr. Burress is against these sins because he realizes first hand the damage they can cause.
It's About Choice
Submitted by David Potts on Wed, 06/10/2009 - 9:19pm.
Burress made a lot of bad choices in his life (I'd rather not get into it, but they're documented). Now he and his group crusade to remove those choices for others because he was unable to deal with temptation.
I live about an hours drive from a casino in Wheeling, WV. When you go in there, you'll always see the occasional person camped out in there with obvious signs that they've been there way to long, but I've never lost more than I was willing to there. Burress' position would be that we shut down the casino all together because a few people have no self-control.
The US isn't a dictatorship, people should have the right to make their own decisions. If CCV wanted to go out and help the people that do have problems, that would be great and more power to them. Instead, they want to force people to live in their idealized version of society.
restricting choices...
Submitted by Randy on Wed, 06/10/2009 - 10:39pm.
Isn't that what the law is about? The opposite extreme would be liberatarianism.
Take for example, Payday loans. I know you oppose them (as do I), but they are a choice. Same for drugs. The cocaine user makes a choice to take the drug.
As for gambling, many would believe it's a victimless crime. If you believe that, see my blog from 1/21/08 http://newfromclt.blogspot.com/2008/01/weekend-gambling-evils-of-gambling.html.
The guy that tried to screw
Submitted by PoliticalOutcast on Wed, 06/10/2009 - 11:52pm.
The guy that tried to screw over you and your wife was a criminal. Plain and simple. Don't blame that on gambling.
http://politicaloutcast.wordpress.com/
If not gambling, where to place the blame?
Submitted by Randy on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 6:59am.
Actually, you're right, it's the criminal who committed the crime, and to paint all gamblers as criminals would be wrong. I am not opposed to gambling and simply used my blog to point out one of the (many) evils that can come out of it. I have gambled in the past and will likely do so again. Actually, when I do it, it's called losing, which isn't any fun, so I gamble very infrequently.
But let's get back to the original point, David pointed out the "bigotry" associated with CCV. I assume he thinks they are bigots becuase their apparent hatred of homosexuality. In doing so, he assumes 1) all members of CCV are bigots, 2) that the members of CCV actually HATE homosexuals as opposed to hating the act of homosexuality and that 3) sexual orientation, like skin color, implies certain protections (last one is poorly worded, I'm no lawyer).
By painting such broad strokes, David is doing the very thing he accuses CCV of doing.
PS
Submitted by Randy on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 7:00am.
I should have said it the first time, thanks for taking the time to read my blogpost.
Lack of "Faith?"
Submitted by Dion on Wed, 06/10/2009 - 10:26pm.
Followers of the Christian faith are admonished to emulate their leader and be "Christ like." I am perplexed that followers attempt behavior that is not displayed by their leader.
Jesus Christ himself never attempted to enact or change any law and only issued forgiveness to those that needed it.
Thanks,
Dion
Dion, you're right...
Submitted by Randy on Fri, 06/12/2009 - 7:41am.
Christ never tried to change any laws, but he did instruct his followers to care about their neighbors and try to help them. In today's government, the way to do that is to work through the legislative process.
Also note that during Christ's time, homosexuality would have been illegal.
"I am Phil Burress"