Ted Strickland's demeaning Obama comments

And you gotta live with it. In 1972, Chisholm said her greatest obstacle to the white house was her gender, not her race.

It is less likely for feminist Hillary Clinton to be president the same way it was unlikely for civil rights activist Jesse Jackson to be president.

Right now, McCain is beating Hillary in every survey and would beat her by a landslide in November, because men don't want a woman named Clinton bossing them. That's a risk we cannot afford.

As a woman, trust me, I want a woman president. Give me Kathleen Sebelius, give me Nancy Pelosi give me Claire McCaskill, give me Barabara Boxer, give me Janet Napolitano, etc. Just not Hillary Clinton.

I know you didn't say that. That's why I used the word implication. I'll accept that wasn't your aim. No worries.

I'm not sure how you can support your statement that "Most women get it." Short of some scientifically valid surveys or polls, that's just an opinion you hold. My opinion, on the other, hand is that I've seen plenty of women like hilzoy say just the opposite.

I frequent a lot of blogs these days and only the most staunch pro-Hillary blogs (I can count them on one hand) echo these kind of thoughts in anything resembling a majority.

I do think Hillary has faced some ugly stuff from the media. Some of it has been sexist. This isn't it. I think Hillary's campaign is damaged by this sort of infighting. Hillary has better arguments available to her for her candidacy.

I'm not part of Hillary's campaign. I'm just a 50-something woman who was part of the feminist movement back in the 70's, and when I heard Obama say that on TV the other night, my jaw nearly hit the floor.

It's not that I'm anti-Obama and pro-Hillary, but I am getting damned sick of the Hillary bashing on sites like this. This Dem infighting isn't a good thing. What are you awesome Obama people going to do if she actually ends up being the nominee? Nail yourselves to a goddamned cross? 

I'm tired of the infighting too. I don't have much use for the racist/sexist divide.

If I could, I would wave a magic wand and all such petty, overblown squabbles would disappear. I think Obama is a powerful enough candidate in his own rights that he doesn't need this sort of climate to win. I'm more than happy to talk about positions or issues. :)

This link goes to today's lead editorial from the NYT:

http://tinyurl.com/2bxvc3

But the media wants it to be about personalities and drama and controversy, because that's what gets ratings and keeps the advertising dollars flowing,  and we all get shortchanged because the national discussion devolves into a pie fight like we're seeing here.

That's a great list of questions, Susan!

I'd like to hear answers from the candidates on those too. Obama's site does help with some of them. If you are like me, it's sometimes a bit annoying to be directed to a link elsewhere when answering a question. In my defense, I'll say that I'm answering a link with a link! :)

If you could maybe narrow it down to one or two questions, I'd be willing to explore them here with you.

That's why I gave you the link, I wanted to share the whole editorial with you.

Sure, we can read position statements on Hillary's site too, but that wasn't the point I was making. I wish we could hear substantive discussions on these issues from the candidates themselves--on TV, in debates-- but nobody's asking them these questions. It's a shame, considering the gravity of the position they're asking us to hire them for. 

Every other post from Jerid and Tim scream about criticism of Obama being racist. It's getting really old. I'm not the only one who is pretty annoyed about it.

I keep seeing posts from Obama supporters threatening not to support Hillary in the general election. It works both ways. Stop making threats like that.

A schism like this is what is going to hand the Republicans the White House again. Can we try to keep it substantive and not murder each other at the same time?

i am assuming that Ted is genuine and not playing a race card. 

my criticism is that Ted is demeaning the notion that people get inspired by Obama and will choose him over Hillary because of it.  Ted is demeaning the very reason for supporting Obama - the message, the entire strength behind the campaign.

when you get excited about something - either a sport, or a food, or a new song - and all that someone EVER says about your excitement is that you're buying into some kind of fluff - that's insulting, demeaning, degrading, condescending, arrogant, and FUCKING ANNOYING. 

Despite the smears (notice I didn't say racist), although Bill certainly showed that he knows how to play that card, if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, I'll hold my breath, my nose and vote for her.

Then I suspect it will be Bush-lite, because if you guy into the notion that HRC and her minions are progressives, I've got a bridge on Cleveland's west side that I wanna sell you.

i do like the "take a midol" comment - hilarious.

however, if you haven't figured out yet that the clinton campaign is being as arrogant, condescending, holeri-than-thou - you name it - as they can possibly be about Barack Obama, you aren't paying attention.

the clinton people are getting pissed off that this is slipping away, and it's starting to show.  that's fine.  but don't insult the voters for reaching for something higher than a "plan".

as mike tyson said, everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth. 

you know i never shut up!

were Partisan Primaries about uniting anybody?

Aren't Partisan Primaries about selecting the best candidate to carry the party's banner in the Fall?

Most unification occurs after the Primary. And if we have indeed selected the best candidate to go forward, they will have little trouble uniting us.

Only in Ohio though are Partisan Primaries "united" prior to the electorate actually getting a chance to vote. Remember the St. Valentine's Day Massacre?

Didn't Ted have a little something to do with that as well?

of proclaiming Obama as the great uniter while vilifying Hillary and her supporters --not something Obama himself is necessarily doing, but some of his minions really need to put down the crack pipe, and tell us "why Obama" instead of "Hillary is the Antichrist."

Yeah, hopefully Dems will pull together after the primaries, but it's hard to see how when you have blue blog headlines screaming  "Why I'll NEVER vote for Hillary." Words some might have to eat at a later date unless they want to go to work for McCain out of sheer spite.

Give me a fucking break already Modern Shillz. Point out the posts where you calmly and rationally advocate why to vote FOR Hillary and I won't call you a fucking hypocrite. I think Tim, Jerid, and I can point out posts we've written that qualify for advocacy. I'm not sure where yours are.

You've spent the better part of two weeks bashing Obama all the while claiming you are offering "balance" and claiming you are undecided. It's clear you're not. Couldn't be more clear.

Hell, you even spout McCain talking points now and are dangerously close in getting into general election territory with some of that. Maybe you're up for a job with Strickland/Hillary. Who knows. It would be different if you had previously written about how you support Hillary and why. Hiding behind "balance" and claiming you are undecided is just cowardice. I've got no problem with rumbling in a primary, but come out and pick a side before we do. This bobbing and weaving around balance is just nuts. I don't even have a problem with banging on your opponent (even in a primary), but you've not really let us know overtly who your opponent is? Do you support Hillary and if so why? Articulate it please.

(If I missed your post about why you are so fervent in your support of Hillary, I apologize. Do send me the link and I will consider it in full)

It's curious to me that when Obama becomes the frontrunner you go nuclear with the McCain stuff. Same slash and burn tactics Team Billary looks prepared to do with Michigan and Florida. THAT'S the politics of old right there my man. You are a good representative of it.

Burn the motherfucker down as long as we get what we want, eh?

These "talk is cheap" attacks are extremely petty - and desperate. I might add that they also won't work. They actually <a href="http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/02/15/obama-responds-to-hillary-talk-is-cheap-nonsense">might just boomerang</a>! (can't get a damn link to work, maybe jerid can fix.  did i mention yet how much i hate drupal?)