Obama's misleading mailer on NAFTA hits Ohio

Jeff over at Ohio Daily Blog, has an item about a new Obama mailer attacking Hillary Clinton over NAFTA.

According to the Obama campaign:

  • Obama has "consistently" opposed NAFTA.
  • Clinton has called NAFTA a "boon" to the economy.

Jeff has the full mailer for y'all to see but let's clear the air of this right now.

Obama and Clinton have an exact identical record on trade.  Both voted against CAFTA.  Both voted to support the Bush Administration's proposal to expand NAFTA to include Peru.  If you can find a difference in voting on international trade issues, please share it.

The claim that Hillary Clinton called NAFTA a "boon" to the economy is based on a 9/11/06 story in Newsday.  However the story itself contains no such quote, but instead characterizes that as Clinton's position on NAFTA.

While claiming that he has "consistently" opposed NAFTA, Obama voted for the Peru trade deal.   He has not called for the United States to withdraw from NAFTA or GATT.  According to his own campaign's website, Obama is calling for changes to be made to NAFTA-- the same position he is criticizing Clinton for taking. Obama has not so much consistently opposed NAFTA as much as he might have consistently proposed tinkering with it.  To me, that is a big difference from someone who has "consistently opposed" something.  People who oppose abortion don't talk about reforming it; they talk about ending it. 

Besides the Peru trade deal, Obama has supported other "free trade" deals presented to the Senate during his brief term.

This mailing is trying to make it appear that there is differences between Obama and Clinton that historically does not exist.  Furthermore, it creates the impression that Obama is against international trade agreements, which is also not accurate.  Third, it implies that Clinton has directly called NAFTA a "boon" to the economy when in reality that is how Newsday characterized her position on NAFTA.

Jeff also had an interesting piece on Senator Sherrod Brown's thoughts on the race:

"I'm not satisfied that either candidate is quite there yet on trade, alternative energy and manufacturing policy," Brown continued.

So Sherrod apparently does not believe there's much difference between Obama and Clinton on trade either.

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I'm not sure

How much of a difference there is between Obama and Clinton substantively on the trade policies they're proposing moving forward.

HOWEVER, a big strike against Clinton (and Dodd for that matter when I met with him this past summer) is her unfledging support for the 90's era NAFTA movement. I've yet to see a quote from her stating the push her husband made (and that I'd assume she's claimed as her own, since everythign Bill ever did is part of her legacy too, or she would have me believe with that whole "experience" argument she pushes) was poorly formed. That's a negative strike against the good Senator on trade no matter how you spin it. I would suggest that your bruhaha about the newsday story is much ado about nothing. Hillary has never acceptably distanced herself from the NAFTA legacy. I have a hard time in finding fault with Obama for using that against her.

I'll be back with more on this one later, but let's try to keep this debate a little more civil than the last. 

Obama and Clinton both believe in the potential of NAFTA

Obama is trying to make it look like there's a distinction here by citing to the prior Clinton Administration's history with NAFTA. To that, Sen. Clinton has said that we believed that NAFTA would have worked out better than it has and changes need to be made.

Obama has said that's flip-flopping, and yet while he says that he's "consistently opposed" NAFTA, he, like Hillary, want to reform NAFTA because... he believes that with modifications it could work as well as people expected it to when it was ratified in the 1990s.  Neither candidate wants to end NAFTA or GATT.

Obama's mailing uses quotes around the word "boon" which implieds that it's taken from a direct quote from Clinton herself.  It's not.  It's a direct quote of how a Newsday reporter characterized Clinton's views on NAFTA, which is materially different saying that Clinton herself has called NAFTA a boon to the economy.

Nice try, Jerid, but nowhere in the mailing is Obama attacking Clinton for how her husband's Administration pushed NAFTA was poorly formed- he's attacking the policy itself and trying to imply a radical difference on the issues from his opponent when none truly exists.

Another example of how Obama's "new" post-partisan politics really is the same ol' politics that we've seen.

Obama is misleading Ohio voters in this mailing and has been busted. 

modern

in your headline for this post, you do precisely what you accuse Obama of: mislead based on something that may or may not indicate what the person thinks.

Want to explain??

Sorry, but your comment is too cryptic. Obama's mailing pretty clearly is trying to imply there's a difference between him and Clinton on trade. A difference that their voting records do not reflect. He's also trying to make it sound like he's against NAFTA and free trade in general. He isn't.

His mailing is clearly deceptive and misleading.  Sorry that you want to act otherwise, but you're going to have to come up with something better than "I'm rubber, your glue" routine.

ok, mod

it's not rubber, glue, it's pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement. you claim Obama is misleading and then you do precisely that in your attack. How the heck can that withstand scrutiny? Don't look at what I did, it's okay, but that guy over there!

sadly, it's in line with, though not precisely the same as, the Clinton campaign lately: full of leaps that are intellectually dishonest and require limber lying muscles.

mod, I've always enjoyed your frequently differing perspective, but this past week has been awful. Jerid's said you're shilling, and it certainly appears that way. I don't know if you're such a fan of the Gov you're going feral for his candidate or that you can't see the leaps you're making in your arguments, but from you, counselor, given your profession and post history, I'd expect a tighter argument. Mack trucks fit through some of these holes. Sideways.

Redhorse

Mind pointing out a "hole" in this post. What exactly is misleading about my allegations that this mailing is misleading?

Or are you just going to do what Jerid's been doing and repeat shill, shill, shill over and over again while you plug your ears and close your eyes and wish the inconvenient truth that Obama is just another politican goes away?

Find me a trade vote where Clinton and Obama differed.  Am I wrong that Obama has voted for trade deals in the past?  Am I wrong that he's not really opposed to NAFTA conceptually, but wishes to reform it?

And isn't that exactly what Clinton has been saying on NAFTA?

I'm seriously trying to respond to your comments but you're being incredibly vague.

I think it's amazing how Obama supporters are steadfastly unable to recognize that Obama is capable of making misleading and false statements about Clinton in his campaign.  This isn't the only example out there, you know.  Obama is a politician.  I don't fault him for that, but I do believe it raises question how much he is ushering in a brand new kind of politics when he is making these kind of tried and true misrepresentations to make himself radically different from his opponent when he really isn't.

Modern!

...you been quiet lately. Everything OK?

Yes, Eric

My baby son has been ill and I need to catch up on all those billable hours I lost last week between Jerid and Russo. But, yeah, I'm fine. Just busy dealing with the real world.

Cool

Hope you son gets better.  Missed your balance around here.  GL with the work too.  ;-)

That's amazing

I never thought I'd find someone suggest the Clinton's aren't wrapped intrinsically in NAFTA. Well done Modern. Shilling to new heights!

What happened to being civil?

One comment later and already we're starting with the "shill" talk. Hillary Clinton has spoken out against NAFTA and the need to change it since 2005. Sorry if I'm not willing to accept everything that Obama says as the gospel truth and suggests that he is, in fact, (shudder) a politican who isn't above using misleading half-truths to villify his opponents in order to create a distinction on an issue that does not really exists.

Lighten up modern

I used the "shill" word not so long ago to describe everyone in the Ohio blogoshpere.

But since you opened up the can 'o worms...some of the insinuations, statements, and fingers pointed you've thrown out there lately have made me have to walk away. I accept things as the Gospel truth eh?

Walking away, again now.

Don't walk away

Look, I just pointed that you started this comment about being civil and then played the "shill" card. All I've ask you to do is actually respond to the substance of this post and tell me where I'm wrong or "jumping in logic."

Is it or isn't true that Obama and Clinton have the exact same voting record on trade agreements in the Senate?

Is it or isn't true that Obama doesn't oppose NAFTA, but believes that with some modifications it could be a good policy?

Is it or isn't true that this mailing is designed to create some misconception that Obama is more populist than Clinton even though his voting history is exactly the same?

Is it or isn't it true that Hillary Clinton never said that "NAFTA has been a boon to our economy," as Obama's mailing states, but instead that's how a a reporter from Newsday generally characterized as Clinton's position on NAFTA.

Sherrod Brown said it plainly.  Neither candidate is where he believes they should be on trade.  (There was time that this blog ridiculed Brown for making TRADE one of his signature issues in his campaign.)

Your response so far has been to try to change the topic to the debate, suggest that I'm not credible because I'm a shill, then when asked to simply explain what is inaccurate about my post, you say you won't because now you're taking the high road.  It's great avoidance strategy, Jerid.

And for the record, in this post, you used the word "shill" to describe me and this post one comment after you admonished me to keep this discussion civil.

I've been civil on this.  And I've been factually accurate.  And I'm waiting for evidence to the contrary.  So far, you and Redhorse are lacking.

And as far as "flip flopping" goes

Did you happen to watch the video I had up earlier?

No...

Sorry, but I don't find it riveting, nor do I find it surprising that Obama's reason for not agreeing to the CNN/ODP debate in Columbus but instead the MSNBC one in Cleveland had a racial demographic component to it. And that for that reason the Clinton campaign resisted it.

Debate is still on though, right?

Frankly, I think holding the campaigns accountable on their misleading statements on matter of actual policy is far more important than web banner-gate or landlord-gate which has been the steady diet of you and Russo lately.

Oh, So stone faced lies aren't important anymore

Second half of the video. Hillary tells Youngstown anchor she's agreed to all debates. Minutes later she tells the Cleveland anchor she has not agreed to the Cleveland debate. No matter how you want to spin it, that's a two faced lie.

Tells one person one thing, the other another thing.

That's not important? Because that's one of the most transparent lies I've seen this entire campaign. But that sort of thing ain't important anymore I suppose because it hurts Team Clinton.

And this landlord/webabnner whatever. Paying your bills is important, just like policy is. Sure, this would be a big deal...but once again, I think you're making mountains out of molehills while distorting Clinton's past ties to NAFTA. Explain away the debate video I just posted. If that isn't damning evidence of her ties to NAFTA, that what could be Modern?

Don't get all righteous on me brotha', I'll be more than happy to knock you down. 

Again...

Can't watch the video to your comment for some reason as it's coming as an invalid object. But to equate the webbanner story as the same as a blatant misrepresentation of your own and your opponent's position on the issue as an equal offense is not something I can agree to.

Ironic that you'd use the mountains out of molehills analogy since my entire post is that Obama's mailing is misleading just for that very reason.  Except in this case, there's not even a molehill.  Obama and Clinton are clones of each other on trade and their voting records prove that.  And, yet, Obama's mailing makes it seems like he's against free trade.  He isn't.

I'll be frontpaging this later tonight

Prep your arguments.

Some reason...

I can't always download objects in comments, so I can't see yours. Still waiting for your promised frontpage about how Super Tuesday wasn't a draw and that it was a great night for Obama even though your prediction of an upset in California never happened. :)

Sounds as convincing as your

Sounds as convincing as your argument that the Obama campaign was the one that played the "race card" coming out of New Hampshire.

Facts don't lie

On Hardball and CNN, Obama had a surrogate arguing right after New Hampshire that Obama lost was the result of the Bradley Effect. That's what was being pushed. Then Obama did his Oprah event in front of a largely African-American crowd in South Carolina. These things happened.

More distortions

Nice try, but Oprah was in South Carolina (and Iowa) in early December; NOT prior to the SC primary.  Where was the race card there?

The Bradley effect was something being trotted out by many after New Hampshire, including The Nation.

If you don't think Bill and others weren't race-baiting going into South Carolina, then you're delusional.

Why else do you think the tide turned against the Clintons.

Edwards supporters like myself were totally turned off by those scum tactics and gravitated toward Obama as Edwards faded and the Clintons played dirty with Obama.

Still waiting on you to call me back

And as for Super Tuesday...I thought the national media took care of your spin pretty well. I was wrong on Cali, point to you there.

Ouch

Ok, you got me on the phone call. As for Super Tuesday, I'd like to know what national media articles you were referring to. Every story and headline I saw on the Democratic race called it a draw... which is exactly what I said that you disagreed with.

I have...

lurked on this blog for awhile, dating back to when it was focused on the senate primary. However, I have never felt the need to register or comment, but today I felt the urge to do so because of recent front page content. While I think that Jerid and Tim have every right to support their chosen candidate, I think they are doing their candidate no favors by focusing on trivial things like unpaid cleaning bills. I know Jerid has worked on campaigns in the past, so he should know that things like that often get overlooked during a campaign, especially ones operating at the national level. I would not be surprised if Obama, Edwards, etc. have similar situations that still need resolved. In fact, I am aware of a similar situation that only got resolved a few weeks ago and know of similar incidents that happened in 2004. Its an unfortunate, but common thing for extra expenses, like cleaning bills, to get overlooked in the frenzy of a campaign.

I am glad Modern has been around to keep things balanced around here. However, for all his effort, everytime he makes a valid point he is shot down as a shill for Hillary. I think we should be more civil and respectful towards fellow Democrats on this blog. I think intelligent and good Democrats can and have reached the conclusion to support Hillary Clinton. There are good points to be made for her candidacy (I may write an entry on them later) and one does not have to be shilling for her to see the merit in them. I hope as this race moves forward, we try to learn from each other and build the party for November, not shoot each other down.

Hillary--some "trade" data

Just before Iowa, I became curious as to just how much Hillary had involved herself in her husband's unexpected and peculiar penchant for vigorously pushing the economists' backfiring experiment called "free trade". Here's a summary of what I found: If Iraq is "Hillary's big mistake", isn't China "Bill's big mistake"? Is it fair to blame the wife for the husband's errors, blame Hillary for Bill's blunders? Seems so. For the essence of Hillary's presidential pitch is: "Elect me. I was there -- been there, done that -- for the full eight years. I've got the experience". Indeed, unlike her Iraq vote, Hilllary seems prepared to admit that the Clintonian pushing of the NAFTA and China deals was in retrospect, a very large mistake, another learning experience. In this concession, Hillary would seem to give herself little other choice, than to share the blame with Bill. For, given her reliance on the "I'm experienced" pitch, what else can she say? "Yes, I was deeply involved in simply everything the administration did in those 8 years -- except of course for NAFTA and China"? NAFTA and China are of course not minor blunders. We all know that, now. But is it fair to suggest that the remarkable damage to America's once-cherished manufacturing base could have been foreseen? Who had such good judgment, such good foresight? Anybody? As Tim Curry, MSNBC's national affairs writer, recently pointed out (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21536832/), some indeed did. The late and lamented Paul Wellstone for one: "What Wellstone knew: Among the relatively few senators (only 15) voting 'no' were liberal Democratic senator Paul Wellstone of Minnesota . . .". Curry notes that Jesse Helms of North Carolina also opposed the China deal, and Curry asks: "Did Wellstone and Helms have the wisdom to foresee consequences from the China trade deal that Edwards didn’t? Or has the wheel simply turned, so that lowering trade barriers — once so popular in the Bill Clinton Era — now has become a cause for remorse because the consequences are now more apparent?" Today's trade refection and remorse come just a little too late, in the view of at least one Iowan, former local union president Ted Johnson. A recent PBS program on "Iowa's Take on Free Trade", after noting that "On the Democratic side, candidates Barack Obama and John Edwards have pledged to renegotiate NAFTA, but Hillary Clinton seems to stop short, promising to review the trade deal.", added that "That's not enough for Ted Johnson". Johnson's succinctly-stated view: "JOHNSON: They should have reviewed it before it got signed and perhaps they should have listened to some folks who said 'hey, this is not a good deal'." (See "Iowa's Take on Free Trade"; PBS Nightly Business Report; November 7, 2007; http://www.pbs.org/nbr/site/onair/transcripts/071107b/) One of those in addition to Wellstone who had vigorously tried to warn the Clinton administration of the obvious upcoming damage, long-time trade-deal critic Ralph Nader, tends to agree with Iowan Johnson, that Hillary's new help is coming just a little late. Noting Sen. Clinton's June, 2007 Michigan town hall statement that the upcoming Korea trade agreement is "inherently unfair" and will "cost us good middle-class jobs", Nader notes that these current Clinton appraisals could and should have been made as to "NAFTA and the WTO" -- and asks: "Where has she been for the past fifteen years?" Nader also notes (as did the above PBS program) that, unlike Obama's and Edwards" firm commitments to renegotiate such as the backfiring NAFTA, Hillary tends to fuzz over just what she might or might not do to correct such "inherent unfairness": "Still, she has not supported the renegotiation of NAFTA and WTO which the U.S. can force by utilizing the Treaties' 6 month notice of withdrawal from each . . .". (See "The NAFTA Two-Step"; June 19, 2007; http://www.counterpunch.org/nader06192007.htm) Hillary's carefully-worded straddle on trade is understandable. While, as noted, such as the Des Moines Register seem to see her history of past mistakes as some kind of "toughening" plus, Hillary herself is understandably not too keen on unnecessarily adding to her list. Thus, she doesn't overtly apologize for her part in such as NAFTA and China. Indeed, when it comes to the trade debacle, she seems to be setting herself up as a sort of "smarter Clinton" -- one who, if the voters would just put her in full charge of trade, will do things much differently from Bill. See, for instance, such reviews of this tactic (or "electoral calculations") as New York Magazine's "Marital Discord: Bill Clinton was the ultimate free trader. But Hillary, tacking left, is sounding protectionist notes" (http://nymag.com/news/politics/powergrid/34457/) and Bloomberg News' "Clinton Breaks With Husband's Legacy on Nafta Pact, China Trade" (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=atUKcP4eSEvY&refer=politics). But the Bloomberg "Clinton Breaks With Husband's Legacy" review insists on giving us not simply the new tactic, but also a little Hillary history. Some excerpts: "Clinton promoted her husband's trade agenda for years, and friends say that she's a free-trader at heart. 'The simple fact is, nations with free-market systems do better,' she said in a 1997 speech to the Corporate Council on Africa. 'Look around the globe: Those nations which have lowered trade barriers are prospering more than those that have not.' And: "Praise for Nafta" "At the 1998 World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, she praised corporations for mounting 'a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of Nafta.' She added: 'It is certainly clear that we have not by any means finished the job that has begun'." And: "In her interview with Bloomberg, Clinton was careful to describe Nafta as having been negotiated by the administration of President George H.W. Bush 'and then pushed through Congress in the Clinton administration'," The New York Magazine review finds itself bemused by Hillary's attempt to blame the current trade debacle on not either herself or husband Bill but on George Bush's father. After noting Hillary's argument that ”’NAFTA was inherited by the Clinton administration’, she [Hillary] informed Time magazine”, the New York review adds this: "It’s tempting to mock this last point as a nakedly disingenuous reading of history . . .. Though Clinton did, in fact, inherit NAFTA from the Bush 41 régime, he campaigned for its passage as if his life depended on it, taking on the out-front protectionist bloc in the Democratic party at a time when his standing was far from solid—an act of considerable political courage and even greater political skill. After pushing through the deal, Clinton described it as representing a seminal decision by the country not to retreat from a world in which 'change is the only constant'." What has proved to be not so "constant", the magazine suggests, is the once-vigorous support for "free trade" that Bill Clinton could count on, trom his "economist" friends. The fact is that these once-zealous free trade pushers are now busily jumping the "free trade" ship: "More broadly, the consensus among top-tier economists that underpinned the support for free trade has lately been rattled by a spate of revisionism. Alan Blinder of Princeton, a former vice-chair of the Federal Reserve and a staunch Democrat, has taken to arguing that the downsides of unfettered globalization may be far greater than standard doctrine has assumed—in particular, that offshoring and outsourcing may put as many as 40 million American jobs at risk in the next two decades. The Nobel laureate Paul Samuelson has joined the chorus, as has former Clinton Treasury secretary Larry Summers, who wrote recently that pledges to retrain workers displaced in the globalized economy are 'pretty thin gruel' when it comes to allaying the fears of the middle class." In all of this, it may be unsurprising to find Hillary rather shamelessly trying to peddle the baldly self-serving pitch, in effect: "Okay. It's true. It was all just a big, awful mistake. But don't blame me or Bill. Blame George the First." Or as New York Magazine sums up things: "This new political context helps explain why Hillary is charting a course on trade so different from her husband’s. And Washington is only part of the story—and for her, the less important part. In crucial Democratic primary states, the anti-globalization fever is running even higher. 'She’s lurching left on economics, and it’s all about Iowa,' says one Democratic insider with no affiliation to any presidential campaign. 'They know she is badly positioned on Iraq, especially out there, where the antiwar feeling is strong. So she has to compensate somehow, and this is her way of doing it..” The question remains: has perhaps "experience" helped Hillary here? Might she be not just tactically but also truly a belated convert to the Nader view -- now become the Nader/Blinder/Samuelson/Summers view -- of the Clinton Administration's misbegotten trade deals? Has she, in short, "learned from this mistake"? Some think not, seeing the "conversion" as but convenient, and very temporary. In this regard, it is of interest that the record of Hillary's Senate votes had been, until recently, quite uniform: "Sen. Clinton has voted YES for all free trade agreements presented during her tenure in Congress, except for the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) in 2005. Sen. Clinton voted to extend 'most favored nation trade status' to China despite the country's record of substantial human rights violations." See: "The 2008 Democratic Candidates on Free Trade Agreements"; Deborah White; About.com: US Liberal Politics; http://usliberals.about.com/od/2008candidatesonissues/a/DemFreeTrade.htm. Ms. White adds what some might find a further insight: “Both Clintons are active leaders of the Democratic Leadership Council, a pro-corporate interests, centrist Democratic organization that fully supports U.S. free trade arrangements.” Also of some interest may be Hillary's record on "outsourcing". As noted above, a former staunch "free trader", Alan Blinder, has lately had some substantial second thoughts about the "free trade" experiment -- and what he has to say about outsourcing bears repeating: "Alan Blinder of Princeton, a former vice-chair of the Federal Reserve and a staunch Democrat, has taken to arguing that the downsides of unfettered globalization may be far greater than standard doctrine has assumed—in particular, that offshoring and outsourcing may put as many as 40 million American jobs at risk in the next two decades". "40 million American jobs". And these will be almost entirely "white collar jobs" -- most of the moveable blue-collar jobs having already gone via that companion to outsourcing called "offshoring" (move of plant, equipment and factory jobs, to China, etc.). As to "outsourcing", Hillary didn't fool around. She went right over to India, the prime beneficiary of American CEOs' outsourcing craze, and candidly told the Indians what she thought of oursourcing. Those Iowans who wear a white collar, or whose children wear white collars alongside their college loan obligations, might want to read the following rather carefully: Hillary Clinton woos India By Siddharth Srivastava Asia Times Mar 1, 2005 http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GC01Df03.html "Hillary clears outsourcing air "Hillary Clinton made it apparent where she stood on outsourcing during her India visit, in an attempt perhaps to clear the Indian misgivings received during the Kerry campaign. 'There is no way to legislate against reality. Outsourcing will continue,' she told an audience of Indian big-wigs. She pointed out that there were 3 billion people who feel left behind and are trying to attack the modern world in the hope of turning the clock back on globalization. 'It is not far-fetched to imagine ... if the Indian miracle would be the one of choice of those who feel left behind,' said Hillary. "Hillary has been at the forefront in defending free trade and outsourcing. During the height of the anti-outsourcing backlash in the US last year, she faced considerable flak for defending Indian software giant Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) for opening a center in Buffalo, New York. 'We are not against all outsourcing; we are not in favor of putting up fences,' Hillary said firmly, despite inevitably invoking the ire of the anti-free trade brigade. *** "'Though the US understood that the economic vibrancy of India was in its own interest, there are people who feel left behind and might stir up negative feelings against India because they do not understand the economic benefits of outsourcing,' Clinton remarked." Former Wal-Mart director Hillary has apparently learned to understand such things as "the economic benefits of outsourcing". One might forgive Iowans (and such as Michiganders) if they are just a little bit slow -- as Hillary complained to her Indian friends: ". . . there are people who feel left behind and might stir up negative feelings against India because they do not understand the economic benefits of outsourcing," It's not only "india". And it's not only Hillary's Senate voting record on trade or, as Bloomberg reported above, that her friends reassure that she remains a free trade true believer or, as the Bloomberg review puts it, ". . . friends say she's a free-trader at heart". Nor is it simply that as recently as the late 90s at Davos, she thanked the assembled business leaders for helping the Clintons push NAFTA through a very reluctant Congress. Nor that she assured the Davos autience that the "free trade" job was not over but had just begun ("'It is certainly clear that we have not by any means finished the job that has begun'.") It is more likely the sheer convenience of the supposed sudden conversion -- just in time "for Iowa". As the Bloomberg report puts it: "Labor leaders, upset about job losses they blame on Nafta, remain suspicious that she is too influenced by Rubin, the vice chairman of Citigroup Inc. and an outspoken foe of protectionism. 'The Rubin wing of the Democratic Party is heading up policy direction' for the Clinton campaign, said Leo Gerard, president of the United Steelworkers. That's 'going to be an issue' with union members, he said. `We don't need more of the same'." "More of the same". Should that be the concern, once Hillary has got herself safely elected? After all, when husband Bill was campaigning for his first term, he too promised that if elected, he'd "do something about trade". And then, helped greatly by votes which believed him, he did do something. First NAFTA. Then, China. Who to believe here? When in doubt, a handy rule is "Follow the money". Cash -- or cash flow -- is a fact, a fact that rarely lies. The fat-cat contributors don't give to those they don't trust to give back. Take Robert Rubin, for instance, still proud of the "free trade" damage that he talked Bill Clinton into doing, in spite of Bill's campaign promises to the contrary. As union leader Gerard has taken care to note, the same trade-zealot Rubin is prominent among Hillary's "trade" advisors. Are we to believe that he just doesn't know what he's doing, in backing Hillary? Or, that we know more about the real Hillary han does Rubin? Unlikely? Yes. While banker and Citigroup chairman Rubin has been out of formal governmental office since his Clinton years as chief economic advisor then Secretary of the Treasury, his interest in promoting and preserving his Clinton-era free trade "breakthoughs" (NAFTA and China) continues unabated. For instance, shortly after the Democrats took over control of Congress last year, Rubin sped back to Washington to warn Democrats against doing anything rash (that is, anything substantial or, indeed, anything at all) about his trade "achievements": Rubin, Summers Push Free Trade Corporation fellow and former president try to sell trade policy to Dems By CLIFFORD M MARKS Harvard Crimson February 01, 2007 http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=516746 "Two Harvard heavyweights and former treasury secretaries told Congress’s Joint Economic Committee yesterday that the new Democratic majority must take a stand in favor of free trade. *** Though both are members of the same party as the committee’s majority, their testimony underscored a divide on trade policy among Congressional Democrats. Acknowledging that globalization has had negative effects on segments of the American workforce, Summers and Rubin backed free trade . . .". The newly-elected Jim Webb wasn't buying. As the Crimson report notes, "However, some of the committee members such as Sen. James Webb (D-Va.), who once wrote that globalization and illegal immigration are leading to 'a different life and a troubling future' for middle-class Americans, were less enthusiastic about free trade’s effect on the United States." Several months later, Webb reiterated his displeasure with the continued influence of what might be called "Rubin Democrats": "He [James Webb] criticized what he called 'the Rubin wing of the Democratic Party,' after Robert E. Rubin, former President Bill Clinton's Treasury secretary, saying those Democrats share the same problem as many Republicans: 'We're not paying attention to what has happened to basic working people in the country'." (See "Webb lauds freshman power"; Washington Times, July 17, 2007 http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070717/NATION/107170066/1001&template=printart) So, let's try to follow the money -- or, in predicting what will be an elected Hillary's true trade program -- let's follow Robert E. Rubin. Who's Rubin backing this year? Rubin to Back Clinton By PATRICK HEALY The Caucus NY Times NOVEMBER 7, 2007 http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/rubin-to-back-clinton/ "Aside from Al Gore, the biggest presidential endorsement prize that is still up for grabs from the Clinton administration is Robert E. Rubin, the former Treasury Secretary and deficit hawk who remains one of the most admired economic stewards in Democratic politics. "Mr. Rubin is now ready to go public: Despite some early misgivings about Hillary Rodham Clinton’s candidacy, he is scheduled to headline a major fundraiser for her on Dec. 13 in New York City, according to a memo describing the event. Democrats close to the Clinton campaign said today that he may appear at additional events, with her or former President Bill Clinton, before the primaries begin in January. *** "Democrats close to Mr. Rubin say that he and Mrs. Clinton have spent time together privately this year discussing economy policy and the race — as he has with his former boss, Mr. Clinton, who encouraged the Rubin endorsement. *** "He is is scheduled, with Mr. Altman, to hold the opening dinner for Mrs. Clinton’s 'Winter Summit: Grand Finale' forum, her last major fundraiser of 2007, which will take place in New York City on Dec. 13 and Dec. 14. The dinner is for supporters who sell more than $25,000 in tickets for the event." ___________________________________ So, what is Hillary's real (post-election) plan for "trade reform"? Is her surprising 11th-hour conversion from a long-standing free trade addiction a genuine as well as a sudden one? Or, is it but a convenient and passing turnabout -- what is sometimes called, in religious circles, a “death-bed conversion” (with, in Hillary's case, it being not so much a fear of God's looming judgment as that of a mass of completely-trade-disgusted Iowans).

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Having read your comments. I have one response. Obama has voted for a number of free trade deals during his two-years in the Senate. He and Clinton both voted against CAFTA, though.

Clinton has acknowledged that NAFTA hasn't worked out like it was promised and would like to change it to make it fairer. That's exactly the same position as Obama's campaign platform.

Despite all the protectionists rhetoric, neither candidate will withdraw our country from NAFTA, GATT, or any other free trade deal.  They are both free traders who are promising "fairer" free trade.  They are not populist protectionist.

That's all I'm trying to say.