Sherrod Pulls Plug on Groan Ohio
Submitted by staff on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 7:05pm.
Groan Ohio has been euthanized.
Dear Grow Ohio readers and diarists,With little more than a week left before the primary, we are shifting gears to focus all our energy on the general election.
Starting tomorrow, Grow Ohio will be redirected to our campaign website SherrodBrown.com. Existing content will be archived and original links preserved.
We are proud of the role played by Grow Ohio since last summer. Thank you very much to those who have posted, commented or contributed otherwise. You have changed the face of Ohio politics forever.
We hope you will join us on the campaign trail as we fight for progressive change at all levels of government.
Cue the satire.
well
Submitted by plunderbund on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 7:39pm.
it's as it should be...
"You better get politics or politics will get you" - my grandmother
"You better get politics or politics will get you" - my grandmother
Tim Tagaris...
Submitted by redenemy on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 8:14pm.
I think we owe Tim Tagaris a hat tip for blazing the trail in Ohio in this direction. He was one of the first to understand blogging (certainly in Ohio), the second (after Baker) to join Hackett, and continues to be one of the most articulate voices in the blogosphere. I'll also throw in a Thanks to Staff for making sure that there is a true community blog left in the state, and for generally picking up where Tagaris left off....
There I go again...
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 8:59pm.
...posting under multiple aliases.
Thanks, redenemy. I might be back, shortly.
Tim
Thanks, redenemy. I might be back, shortly.
Tim
heh...
Submitted by redenemy on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 9:59pm.
took a lot of time to line up the multiple ip adresses too... I believe in credit where credit is due. You deserve a lot of credit in my view. Hope you stick around.
Timmy?
Submitted by Alan Harvard on Tue, 04/25/2006 - 12:43am.
I might be back, shortly.
Beltway get too tight? Or are they sending their main man back to OH to stoke SB's ashes?
What can I say...
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Tue, 04/25/2006 - 12:52am.
Except that I don't think I'd be coming back to work for Congressman Brown. And to be honest, I don't even know what I'd be coming back for... but if there was an opportunity in Ohio, it would have to go into a top-tier of potential options, just by virtue of love for the state.
Tim
Tim
Oh . . .
Submitted by Alan Harvard on Tue, 04/25/2006 - 12:58am.
. . . girlfriend dumped you huh?
You can crash at my place . . . but keep your hands of my girl.
what role did Groan Ohio play exactly?
Submitted by Tim Russo on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 9:02pm.
honestly, i'd like to know one single thing Groan Ohio did other than reek to high heaven of sherrod brown.
*sigh*
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 9:19pm.
Shocking. We did a lot of things, and we did them before anyone else in Ohio, with the exception of Baker.
1.) We impacted mainstream media coverage, across the state. Grow Ohio was read by reporters like Malia Rulon, the Dispatch was a daily visit logged by sitemeter, Auster admitted to me a in a phone conversation she was a reader.
2.) It was indeed the home of "10/24/05: What a Difference a Day Makes" -- a piece that some might say kick-started the national support for Paul Hackett, and inspired the guy (whose name escapes me) in Las Vegas to produce the commercial that took it to the next level. And there was more with Hackett, although most of that happened on Swing State Project, truth be told.
3.) It's where national (and some local) bloggers went for info on Reform Ohio Now, that eventually found its way onto their sites, helping to raise money and recruit volunteers.
4.) It gave statewide candidates like Jennifer Brunner and local ones like Dann Dodd a community forum to speak directly to people in the Ohio blogging community.
5.) It was the first place you could find video of Subodh Chandra... linked again by many in the Ohio blogs. A piece that remained prominently displayed on Subodh's site before his re-design.
6.) It's a site that made many Ohio candidates out there realize the necessity of having a blogger/internet outreach person on paid staff.
7.) And it unified much of the Ohio blogging community, even if it was against the candidate running the site =), in the weeks after the announcement that Congressman Brown was running.
That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure we did more, but I just woke up from a nap. And frankly, we did it all from scratch in a tfour month time period. I like to believe that had I stuck around, the site would have been a real powerhouse both locally and nationally. Unfortunately, it wasn't meant to be. I also like to think that had I stayed, we would have been able to work out many of the problems as well, even with you Russo. I would have cared enough to travel up to Cleveland, sit down with you, and lay out every fact you needed to know about me, the site, and any "agenda."
Tim
1.) We impacted mainstream media coverage, across the state. Grow Ohio was read by reporters like Malia Rulon, the Dispatch was a daily visit logged by sitemeter, Auster admitted to me a in a phone conversation she was a reader.
2.) It was indeed the home of "10/24/05: What a Difference a Day Makes" -- a piece that some might say kick-started the national support for Paul Hackett, and inspired the guy (whose name escapes me) in Las Vegas to produce the commercial that took it to the next level. And there was more with Hackett, although most of that happened on Swing State Project, truth be told.
3.) It's where national (and some local) bloggers went for info on Reform Ohio Now, that eventually found its way onto their sites, helping to raise money and recruit volunteers.
4.) It gave statewide candidates like Jennifer Brunner and local ones like Dann Dodd a community forum to speak directly to people in the Ohio blogging community.
5.) It was the first place you could find video of Subodh Chandra... linked again by many in the Ohio blogs. A piece that remained prominently displayed on Subodh's site before his re-design.
6.) It's a site that made many Ohio candidates out there realize the necessity of having a blogger/internet outreach person on paid staff.
7.) And it unified much of the Ohio blogging community, even if it was against the candidate running the site =), in the weeks after the announcement that Congressman Brown was running.
That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure we did more, but I just woke up from a nap. And frankly, we did it all from scratch in a tfour month time period. I like to believe that had I stuck around, the site would have been a real powerhouse both locally and nationally. Unfortunately, it wasn't meant to be. I also like to think that had I stayed, we would have been able to work out many of the problems as well, even with you Russo. I would have cared enough to travel up to Cleveland, sit down with you, and lay out every fact you needed to know about me, the site, and any "agenda."
Tim
hilarious
Submitted by Tim Russo on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 9:35pm.
point by point below, but first, what exactly did you and Groan Ohio do "from scratch?" you were paid to blog there, as have been multiple people since the thing was launched. Jerome was paid to build the site. it might be the most expensive political blog in the entire blogosphere. it is now dead.
had you stuck around, there would be no "powerhouse", locally or nationally, you would have just gone down with the ship. as for your other points....
1. of course media is going to read a blog paid for by a sitting congressman. that's their job. malia rulon, the dispatch, all they do all day is read blogs, if a sitting congressman pays many thousands of dollars to create one in advance of entering a US Senate race, if a journalist didn't read it, they'd be a god damned fool.
2. you're now taking credit for launching Paul Hackett's national support? at a blog paid for by Sherrod Brown? in October, 2005? that's a neat trick.
3. Reform Ohio Now lost. spectacularly. newsflash.
4. Jennifer Brunner never had a primary.
5. Nice to see you take credit for Subodh, too.
6. if Groan Ohio proved anything about the necessity of having a blogger on staff, it proved that there is a wrong way to do it. very wrong.
7. unified the Ohio blogging community against sherrod? that was money well spent then.
had you stuck around, there would be no "powerhouse", locally or nationally, you would have just gone down with the ship. as for your other points....
1. of course media is going to read a blog paid for by a sitting congressman. that's their job. malia rulon, the dispatch, all they do all day is read blogs, if a sitting congressman pays many thousands of dollars to create one in advance of entering a US Senate race, if a journalist didn't read it, they'd be a god damned fool.
2. you're now taking credit for launching Paul Hackett's national support? at a blog paid for by Sherrod Brown? in October, 2005? that's a neat trick.
3. Reform Ohio Now lost. spectacularly. newsflash.
4. Jennifer Brunner never had a primary.
5. Nice to see you take credit for Subodh, too.
6. if Groan Ohio proved anything about the necessity of having a blogger on staff, it proved that there is a wrong way to do it. very wrong.
7. unified the Ohio blogging community against sherrod? that was money well spent then.
Honestly
Submitted by Ohio2nd on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 9:41pm.
I heard about Subodh from Tim's work on Grow Ohio. It's the reason I went out of my way to see him in person.
His work for Paul on Sherrod Brown's dime was amazing, and easily a 100x return on investment (if not more).
Granted it was Tim's hustle, but he would have been able to do it with out the funding for the site.
His work for Paul on Sherrod Brown's dime was amazing, and easily a 100x return on investment (if not more).
Granted it was Tim's hustle, but he would have been able to do it with out the funding for the site.
well...
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 9:45pm.
I'm not going to get into an argument with you, but...
From scratch = taking an audience of ZERO and making it the most read Ohio-based political blog while I was there.
If you think reporters read blogs just cause they are paid for by elected officials, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe a few snooped around when it launched for obvious reasons, but they stuck around.
10/25/04 was the title of the post, not an actual date. And I never took credit for Hackett, in fact, I've gone out of my way to give it where it was due. Ask Baker. Who, I'm sure will be the first to tell you that "national hackett," and at that scale, probably doesn't happen without me.
Same with Subodh, not taking credit, at all. Just pointing out that Grow Ohio might very well have played a role in putting him on people's radars. Again, ask Baker. But accusing me of trying to take credit for these things is your style, and really, again, has little to do with reality.
RON: You're gonna win some and lose some. It was important, and we put the effort in.
So what if Jennifer never had a primary? The site provided her a forum to communicate directly. It's alright to do that long before election day. In fact, some might even say it's intelligent.
And you're right, it did prove there is a right way and a wrong way to do this... I like to think that *I* did it the right way. And I think you (and nemeth, but whatever) might be the only people to argue otherwise.
Tim
From scratch = taking an audience of ZERO and making it the most read Ohio-based political blog while I was there.
If you think reporters read blogs just cause they are paid for by elected officials, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe a few snooped around when it launched for obvious reasons, but they stuck around.
10/25/04 was the title of the post, not an actual date. And I never took credit for Hackett, in fact, I've gone out of my way to give it where it was due. Ask Baker. Who, I'm sure will be the first to tell you that "national hackett," and at that scale, probably doesn't happen without me.
Same with Subodh, not taking credit, at all. Just pointing out that Grow Ohio might very well have played a role in putting him on people's radars. Again, ask Baker. But accusing me of trying to take credit for these things is your style, and really, again, has little to do with reality.
RON: You're gonna win some and lose some. It was important, and we put the effort in.
So what if Jennifer never had a primary? The site provided her a forum to communicate directly. It's alright to do that long before election day. In fact, some might even say it's intelligent.
And you're right, it did prove there is a right way and a wrong way to do this... I like to think that *I* did it the right way. And I think you (and nemeth, but whatever) might be the only people to argue otherwise.
Tim
this is delusional
Submitted by Tim Russo on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 9:58pm.
it's easy to build an audience from zero if (a) you and numerous other people are paid thousands of dollars to do so full time, and (b) you get traffic from Jerome's blog because he links it as "the" Ohio site. what's the audience now? my guess is that it's pretty close to zero again. has been for months. i'm sure it's all because you left. bravo. what did we ever do without you.
ohio blogging was alive and well long before Groan Ohio oozed out of the cess pool that is Sherrod Brown's campaign. ohio blogging has survived quite nicely as Groan Ohio has descended into self parody and irrelevance.
ohio blogging was alive and well long before Groan Ohio oozed out of the cess pool that is Sherrod Brown's campaign. ohio blogging has survived quite nicely as Groan Ohio has descended into self parody and irrelevance.
Yea...
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:06pm.
It's easy to build traffic if you pay people to write... The blogs are replete with examples that illustrate money doesn't buy traffic.
MyDD still links Grow Ohio as "the" Ohio site, where is the traffic today?
"what did we ever do without you." -- Typical, Tim.
Tim
MyDD still links Grow Ohio as "the" Ohio site, where is the traffic today?
"what did we ever do without you." -- Typical, Tim.
Tim
You're Insane
Submitted by Ohio2nd on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:08pm.
Traffic from MyDD? You've got to be kidding. It's a national portal, so divide the traffic by 25 or so, than take the percentage that even see a link from it.
Honestly Tim (Russo), you are completely out of your element when you talk about internet dynamics. Tim (Tagaris) earned his traffic by writing good local unique content. It had nothing to do with MyDD.
Honestly Tim (Russo), you are completely out of your element when you talk about internet dynamics. Tim (Tagaris) earned his traffic by writing good local unique content. It had nothing to do with MyDD.
the only thing tagaris earns
Submitted by Tim Russo on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:14pm.
is a paycheck from people on whose payroll he blogs for. Groan Ohio's traffic wasn't built by "writing good local unique content". the traffic wasn't just built from one link. if i had a national blog linking to me on a regular basis who was also on my payroll, i'd get some serious traffic too.
Really?
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:18pm.
Link is still up there, where's the traffic? Even a link on the sidebar of Kos provides minimal traffic. Do some "DD" on the topic, once. Plus, 90%+ of the traffic we generated was Ohio-based.
Tim
Tim
Actually
Submitted by GeorgeNemeth on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 9:58pm.
I wouldn't waste my time. About the only way you generated any traffic for GrowOhio was to get into pissing matches like these. I don't have time for that sort of idiocy.
Pissing Matches?
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:03pm.
Really? Find one, on Grow Ohio. Just one. Really. Pissing matches were the province of the other Tim. I generated traffic with quality content.
<a href="http://www.brewedfreshdaily.com/2005/10/14/some-advice-for-tim-tagaris/">And you did waste your time.</a>
Tim
<a href="http://www.brewedfreshdaily.com/2005/10/14/some-advice-for-tim-tagaris/">And you did waste your time.</a>
Tim
No, not on GroanOhio
Submitted by GeorgeNemeth on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:05pm.
But on plenty of other blogs, and under plenty of other names...
Ahhhhh
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:08pm.
"plenty of other names..."
Not my style George, but a typical charge.
But let's get this straight, I built traffic on Grow Ohio by starting pissing matches on other sites, and under alias?
Ummmm... makes sense.
Tim
Not my style George, but a typical charge.
But let's get this straight, I built traffic on Grow Ohio by starting pissing matches on other sites, and under alias?
Ummmm... makes sense.
Tim
George
Submitted by Ohio2nd on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:17pm.
That's a pretty big charge, there. Do you have evidence of it? I've been following Tim's actions cloely online for about a year now, and I've seen no evidence of it.
I really don't understand why Tim Russo and Jerome Armstrong's eternal struggle needs to bleed over into these areas like this. Does anyone else care?
I really don't understand why Tim Russo and Jerome Armstrong's eternal struggle needs to bleed over into these areas like this. Does anyone else care?
The evidence
Submitted by GeorgeNemeth on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:24pm.
was erased when Buckeye Politics was taken offline.
Convenient...
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:29pm.
...is there a dead man that would testify to this as well, if only he hadn't perished in a mysterious fishing accident in the middle of Lake Erie? Too bad.
I am honestly not even sure that I ever posted on Buckeye Politics once. And didn't that really start after I left Ohio?
And Russo would have held said "evidence" to himself out of the kindness of his heart, right?
*reach*
Tim
I am honestly not even sure that I ever posted on Buckeye Politics once. And didn't that really start after I left Ohio?
And Russo would have held said "evidence" to himself out of the kindness of his heart, right?
*reach*
Tim
chris, wake up
Submitted by Tim Russo on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:24pm.
the only eternal struggle here is to prevent Democrats from looking like complete fools, which is what the likes of these folks do on a daily basis, then come into our state and grace us with their presence, lay blessings on us, presume to announce what works and what doesn't, all while taking money from people with other agendas.
keep drinking that blogging kool aid, you might end up like Maryscott on the cover of the Washington Post as the picture of the Democratic Party. it won't help us win.
keep drinking that blogging kool aid, you might end up like Maryscott on the cover of the Washington Post as the picture of the Democratic Party. it won't help us win.
Complete Fools
Submitted by Ohio2nd on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:36pm.
Tim, can you seriously say that you are worried about making us look like complete fools when your telling your female attackers that they need to get laid? I just love diving into a thread to defend you when right afterwards you defecate all over everyone with crap like that. (Please, don't ask me to dig up the old flamewar.)
You're like some sort of Jeckyl and Hyde. Cool, calm, collected, professional MTB questioner, and vindictive, psychotic, sexist, paranoid, ahole online blogger. Granted, it's great for generating traffic, but it certainly doesn't raise the bar on the level of discourse.
You're like some sort of Jeckyl and Hyde. Cool, calm, collected, professional MTB questioner, and vindictive, psychotic, sexist, paranoid, ahole online blogger. Granted, it's great for generating traffic, but it certainly doesn't raise the bar on the level of discourse.
take your head out of DKos for 5 minutes
Submitted by Tim Russo on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:40pm.
you're starting to sound like Armando.
Really?
Submitted by Ohio2nd on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:46pm.
Show me how.
Tim, I love ya but the anger is a fucking mind killer.
Tim, I love ya but the anger is a fucking mind killer.
here
Submitted by Tim Russo on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:51pm.
"vindictive, psychotic, sexist, paranoid, ahole"
straight from the Armando finishing school.
straight from the Armando finishing school.
Use your links
Submitted by Ohio2nd on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:58pm.
show me how my posts are like Armando. Don't just say it, show it. Bring evidence.
heh
Submitted by staff on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:41pm.
I think I was indeed the first person to call Tim BiPolar.
BuckeyeSenate: Scrubber - it was also a reference to Groan Ohio scrubbing its website - so it's all kind of full circle.
Cathartic.
heh.
*crickets*
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:26pm.
It bled over cause there was an agenda to carry out and traffic to build. And people read it, unfortunately. Charges against me were needed to further an existing narrative.
Tim
Tim
tagaris, just quit while you're ahead
Submitted by Tim Russo on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:07pm.
Groan Ohio has been nothing but a spectacular failure, costing Sherrod Brown TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS for not one iota of value, in fact, it has even harmed him. it is a complete laughing stock. if i were you, i'd just be happy i wasn't around when it swirled down the toilet.
Russo...
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:15pm.
You're never going to admit that I might have done some good work while I was in Ohio, are you? I never lied to you about who was paying me, your beef was always with Jerome ultimately, and then Congressman Brown...
It was always most frustrating to me when you tried to sully my name to further that agenda when I was 100% on the up-and-up. Which, is too bad, cause I believe to this day that the diversity of voices we had in the Ohio blogs (yours included) was something that really could be making a completely positive impact, setting a trend that 49 other states emulate. Still can.
Tim
It was always most frustrating to me when you tried to sully my name to further that agenda when I was 100% on the up-and-up. Which, is too bad, cause I believe to this day that the diversity of voices we had in the Ohio blogs (yours included) was something that really could be making a completely positive impact, setting a trend that 49 other states emulate. Still can.
Tim
golly gee willekers, tim
Submitted by Tim Russo on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:18pm.
thanks so much for being the prophet of the Ohio blogosphere. you're a regular john the baptist.
Not Probably
Submitted by Ohio2nd on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:05pm.
> Ask Baker. Who, I'm sure will be the first to tell you that
> "national hackett," and at that scale, probably doesn't
> happen without me.
Nothing probably about it.
> "national hackett," and at that scale, probably doesn't
> happen without me.
Nothing probably about it.
when you gonna take credit for MTB?
Submitted by Tim Russo on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:16pm.
you linked to us once, tagaris. clearly, you have launched MTB nationally.
Tim
Submitted by Ohio2nd on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:20pm.
You really are your own worst enemy. When you've got a good thing going, why not enjoy it, and work on it?
In Short...
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:22pm.
...this is the ridiculous argument that you've been reduced to on this topic. That I take credit for things I don't deserve... What started with me as part of some massive conspiracy with corporations, FEC violations, emails to congressman brown's wife and conversations with dispatch columnists has been reduced to this.
Tim
Tim
Thank You, Tim
Submitted by Paul (not verified) on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:08pm.
I, for one, want to thank you Tim for all your efforts, even if it didn't work out as originally planned.
The gulf left by the changes in Grow Ohio was the catalist for the creation of this website.
Again, thank you for working so hard for the cause.
Thank you
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:11pm.
I gotta say, much of the pleasure I got from writing at Grow Ohio was the opportunity it afforded me to meet people like you, Baker, David, Russell, and others...
Tim
Tim
Without Baker/Tagaris . . . "Hackett" would not have happened.
Submitted by Alan Harvard on Tue, 04/25/2006 - 12:42am.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is an ignorant fool.
Bob Brigham's crazy ass deserves some credit too.
Pics!
Submitted by Alan Harvard on Tue, 04/25/2006 - 12:10pm.
I can't find a pic of Baker . . . that guy is like the silent hand . . . but he looks a lot like this:
PS: I hear Tim Russo is 'kinda cute'?
Hmmm ...
Submitted by Paul (not verified) on Tue, 04/25/2006 - 2:12pm.
Looks familiar (it's been 10 months after all) but I don't remember the microphone!
Or....
Submitted by Tim Tagaris on Tue, 04/25/2006 - 1:35pm.
Im the mean-lookin' Marine on the right.
Tim
Look! A puppy!
Submitted by Renee in Ohio on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:18pm.
No, not really, but I'm musing that it's sort of a chick thing I suppose--or maybe a "mom" thing--to break in here and say, "Look! Over there! Something shiny!"
But I thought y'all might be interested to know that I just posted the first part of Plunderbund's second podcast.
But I thought y'all might be interested to know that I just posted the first part of Plunderbund's second podcast.
I have no clue
Submitted by staff on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:32pm.
where you get all the time to transcribe all the stuff you do. It really deserves it's own blog I think.
I should create a forum category entitled RIO Transcripts
Renee . . . these are GUYS!
Submitted by Alan Harvard on Tue, 04/25/2006 - 12:51am.
Guys aren't distracted by Puppies!
. . . or are they?
Groan Ohio
Submitted by staff on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:27pm.
As long as I get the credit for coining the phrase grown Ohio - it's all good.
What do i think ? Pre senate race it was a little creepy in a dad looking over your shoulder kinda way but i think Tagaris did make it kinda sorta work as best that kind of venture could.
It was ultimately a failed and expensive experiment for lots of reasons. Brown getting into the Senate race, crappy crappy content after Tim left i think was the main contributor - not even the Brownies really posted there save for Jean - bless her.
I just think it's hard to be authentic when there is a "paid for by..." attached to it.
I'm kinda sad it's gone now - the death watch was kinda funny and it was the online reminder of just how bad Browns campaign is to date. Maybe this will be the watershed...
I just wish he would hand it over the Connie and she could syndicate her new book weekly on it like Tim did his at DG - now that would be great.
no Pulitzer references allowed!!!!
Submitted by Tim Russo on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:36pm.
or was that "any Pulitzer reference encouraged?" i always forget.
LOL
Submitted by Ohio2nd on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:39pm.
Yeah, the big brother Sherrod pic always gave me the willies. Binding it closely to Brown was it's biggest flaw.
Thanks
Submitted by Decker on Mon, 04/24/2006 - 10:35pm.
That Tagaris was one of the forces that got me off my ass and more involved online may count as another strike against him. But I'm grateful for the time he put in.
As for Reform Ohio, yeah it lost. Grow Ohio did its part, when too many apparatchiks refused to support it. Whatever the shortcomings of the site were, I don't hold that against them.
As for Reform Ohio, yeah it lost. Grow Ohio did its part, when too many apparatchiks refused to support it. Whatever the shortcomings of the site were, I don't hold that against them.
Wow
Submitted by AmberCat on Tue, 04/25/2006 - 2:18am.
Looks like this thread has generated more comments that Grow Ohio has all year! I think I'll stay out of the name-calling. Grow Ohio must have had its moment because I once bookmarked it, but hardly ever went there in the last six months.
Hmm