Cindy Sheehan Akron review
Submitted by Tim Russo on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 8:10am.
Great coverage by Pho. What Pho says needs to be said. Extreme pacifism in the face of Al Queda is an absurdity. I feel genuine sadness for Cindy's loss, but she strikes me as someone who's used her son's death to thrust herself into a spotlight she appears to have craved her entire life, which is even more sad. Someone should help her out, get her a timeshare on a beach somewhere so she can get over herself.
now Cindy Sheehan?
Submitted by JeanLR on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 10:13am.
Tim enjoys demeaning Connie Schultz and has switched to Cindy Sheehan. Honestly, I do not understand his hostility.
It was Cindy Sheehan who sat outside the Crawford ranch and gave W a reality check inside his bubble. Cindy Sheehan has dedicated herself to a cause larger than herself, and like many before her has taken a lot of crap for it, unselfishly.
We need MORE people like her standing up for principle over crass political calculations. She is an excellent example of a citizen patriot, and I am grateful for her persistence.
jean
Submitted by Tim Russo on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 10:23am.
cindy played her role, true. what has come after is self-aggrandizing silliness, which helps only to paint Democrats as softies.
as for Connie, get back to me when Sherrod loses.
as for Connie, get back to me when Sherrod loses.
Interestingly....
Submitted by AmberCat on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 12:06pm.
"painting Democrats as softies" has been a failure, as a huge majority of the country has come around to opposing the war SINCE Cindy Sheehan dragged it kicking and screaming into the public eye. As for Sherrod losing, I wouldn't blame Connie. The failure is all Sherrod's.
Hi Tim
Submitted by JeanLR on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 1:13pm.
The problem democrats have faced is that they treat people as if they are stupid. Instead of presenting the American People with thoughtful dialogue and reasoning, they have pandered and condescended.
They are building permanant bases in Iraq. The "Neocons" and thier fellow travellers desire to be at war with Iran. Like during the 80's, they will play all sides to ensure continued chaos and destruction~ very freeing for other nefarious activites abroad and at home, and very profitable as well.
Let's not forget oil, a product that, since the War began, has risen in price considerably providing quite the nice little bump in earnings for certain entities. Maybe the oil part of the equation can be understood better if we frame it as a motive~ not to provide us with cheap oil but to reduce supply to charge more for oil.
By fearing the criticism of Cindy Sheehan in a republican smear campaign to impugne democrats' willingness to protect US interests, you are buying what they're selling. Most people are not.
put down the noam chomsky for five seconds
Submitted by Tim Russo on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 1:34pm.
"most americans" are not committed extreme pacifists, nor do they believe there's a vast military industrial complex scheming to raise oil profits via war, nor do they believe we are gunning for Iran at the profiteers' insistence.
especially swing voters in Ohio.
i can understand the impulse to scratch that itch with Cindy Sheehan, but it is a vote loser, especially in Ohio.
i'm not buying into any "smear campaign", if you read this blog or any of my other stuff, you know i reject this world view, and really hope Democrats move away from it at full gallop every chance they get.
especially swing voters in Ohio.
i can understand the impulse to scratch that itch with Cindy Sheehan, but it is a vote loser, especially in Ohio.
i'm not buying into any "smear campaign", if you read this blog or any of my other stuff, you know i reject this world view, and really hope Democrats move away from it at full gallop every chance they get.
Noam Chomsky
Submitted by JeanLR on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 3:29pm.
isn't on my usual reading list (I prefer Joseph Campbell and National Geographic), but I do read things like that even Bill Buckley and Francis Fukayama have said publically that the War was a mistake and that they were wrong. Many former Bush administration officials have said so, and have complained about Bush's many other policy outrages too. So have well-known retired and active duty military are with the American People in opposing this fiasco in Iraq and the coming wider planned conflicts. One is a founding member of Delta Force, Eric Hanley~ hardly a "softie".
What I've said about war, profit and that war is indeed welcomed by some, is simply a fact~ any honest analysis of history shows that again and again.
I don't have to read Chomsky, I have eyes and ears and experience.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, from those who are cold and are not clothed.
"The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower April 16, 1953
Ms. Sheehan has placed herself . . .
Submitted by Mr. Common Sense on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 9:16am.
. . . directly in the public eye. She has made controversial comments to the print, television, and digital media. She has been kicked out of the State of the Union address.
She has opened herself up to criticism, observations, and comments like Staff's. Her son's tragic death should not shield her from every tough commentary. Her controversial noteriety is of her own doing.
She opened up a discussion
Submitted by AmberCat on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 9:51am.
About the lies and mishandling of the war as well as the feeble reasons for it (Tim, even mentioning al Qaeda in the context of the Iraq war is essentially dishonest and is one of the reasons why this country has finally turned en masse against this war)that we would not even be handling otherwise. She gave people the courage to stand up and speak their mind, which I had always thought was one of the privileges of this country but which was being ruthlessly stomped on as people were being intimidated into silence. The only real "controversy" about Sheehan (not disagreement, but the so-called controversy) has been created and stoked by some of the worst elements of the right. Sadly we have come so far from being able to debate positions that the only way those who oppose Cindy know how to oppose her anymore is with ridicule and condescension which says more about her than about them.
And I must point out that in Bush's "free" war, virtually none of Sheehan's critics have sacrificed anything.
read pho's piece
Submitted by Tim Russo on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 10:11am.
i did not equate iraq with al queda. cindy sheehan doesn't want to fight al queda and opposes the response in afghanistan. she buys into the hard left "it's our fault" analysis that is simply wrong.
Al Queda
Submitted by plunderbund on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 12:08pm.
So it begs the question: how did the war in Afghanistan defeat Al Queda? where is Al Queda? who is Al Queda? Did we win yet? These questions are hard to answer becaue they defy the typical "war" frame. This has and always will be more about police-type action than military type action...even the military will tell you this.
It is tough to bomb an ideology.
I think it an oversimplification to state unequivocally that our having some responsibility for the blowback is "simply wrong".
I would also argue that extreme pacifism in the face of Al Queda is not only absurd, but necessary.
"You better get politics or politics will get you" - my grandmother
It is tough to bomb an ideology.
I think it an oversimplification to state unequivocally that our having some responsibility for the blowback is "simply wrong".
I would also argue that extreme pacifism in the face of Al Queda is not only absurd, but necessary.
"You better get politics or politics will get you" - my grandmother
If they had they may think differently.
Submitted by ezeddie on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 10:55am.
She has sacrificed, which is something B/C doesn't understand because they don't have anything to risk. They should have their children enlist, but they proably would never see a day in Iraq.
I agree she has suffered the greatest a parent could, I sure know I don't want to outlive my children. Or seen them off on a crusade, based upon fality information, because group think had occured.
I agree she has suffered the greatest a parent could, I sure know I don't want to outlive my children. Or seen them off on a crusade, based upon fality information, because group think had occured.
Sheehan
Submitted by Frank Martin on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 10:20am.
Sheehan has served a purpose, but let's not make her out to be more than she is.
She's good at calling attention to the high cost of the war, but I don't really see her a any kind of "leader."
Afghanistan was a righteous fight, Iraq was not.
Submitted by ezeddie on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 10:51am.
I believe her son was killed in Iraq and I haven't heard she opposed the Afghan fight.
I also was not aware she was opposed to taking out Osama
Submitted by AmberCat on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 12:07pm.
Sounds like Limbaugh/O'Rielly spin to me.
umm.....no, not spin
Submitted by Tim Russo on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 12:23pm.
read pho's piece. she's pretty clear on that.
I don't much care how Pho spins it
Submitted by AmberCat on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 1:46pm.
Lots of righties have misquoted and misinterpreted her as well. What does Cindy say?
Generally things like this:
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I can find very little to attack there.
Also
Submitted by AmberCat on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 1:47pm.
the #1 person pooh-poohing the importance of Osama bin Laden is BUSH. Remember how irritated he was during the debates at Kerry for even bringing him up?
Osama who?
Submitted by JeanLR on Wed, 03/29/2006 - 1:16pm.
I think Bush is against taking out Osama too! He's for getting the 20-30 of his #2's, and oh yeah, and tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
Sheehan
I don't know what is in the mind of Cindy Sheehan but I have to give her credit for speaking her mind as she sees it. Though she doesn't need it, her loss gives her that privilege.
To slur her by suggesting that she be given a time-share on some beach is crass at the least.