Mark Naymiks emails to me

I wasn't going to publish them, but the guy is getting slammed on kos and Atrios and that probably isn't going to be a fair fight. So now I think I should, after Mark gave me the go ahead, before I even asked.

He emailed me first

I have come to admire your watchdog role of the press. I think the following insight into how I operated on Saturday will help you continue to evaluate my work.

My job Saturday was to test the theory that Republicans in red counties are jumping on the Democratic bandwagon. In Clermont, I left the Democratic rally to find people who were not recruited by Democrats to cheer.

I found several people at a nearby playground, where I interviewed a mother of four small children -- turned out to be Mr. Estruth's wife. She noted her husband had walked over to the rally to listen to Mr. Strickland, at the urging of a friend. I asked Mrs. Estruth for a description of her husband and sought him out.

There was nothing to suggest Mr. Estruth was a plant. He did not want to talk to me. He reluctantly agreed. I said I was interested in hearing from him only after he heard the speeches.

The fact that he gives money to Republicans might make him a better test subject -- can he really be converted? The fact that he took the time to listen to the rally suggests that even a hard-core Republican might have doubts, or at least is open minded. I did my job and recorded his reaction.

I make no apologies for his inclusion in the story. I'm only sorry I have no ability to poll all the voters in the county myself so I can get beyond anecdotal reporting.

Best,

Mark

I replied, but used webmail so I don't have a copy. My basic premise from memory is that some basic fact checking showing this guy gave thousands of dollars to GOPers should have been done, and that I didn't think Naymik was being nefarious, but that he just got punked by a typical, common GOP practice of media plants. He responded to me thusly

I respect your point of view but I still think you are ascribing "fense sitter" status to a guy I identified as a Republican who votes for Republicans. Readers get that he's not a neutral party. I also think the story's entire premise -- what do red county voters think? -- is clear.

I also don't believe the opinion of Democrat or Republican has less credibility because he or she gives money, regardless of how much. If I follow your premise, then why aren't you criticizing me for the quoting Betty Davis, who organized Republicans for Strickland. The entire room of people she recruited I'm sure gave money lots of money to Republicans but appear to support Strickland. Are they plants?

The story ran on the 20th August, 3 days after our buddy Nathan filed with the SoS declaring himself as President of Common Sense Ohio.

Mark emailed me again this morning

Russell:

You are free to disclose my emails. I don't see any need to modify what I said. Mr. Estruth passed himself off as a voter willing to consider Strickland. I regret he not open minded as he said.

He was reluctant to talk. Perhaps he was because he knew he was misrepresenting himself.

Mark

I am reminded by email that the PeeDee ran background checks on all the bloggers they front page featured a few months ago.

I think Mark's editors let him down badly here to be honest, and I also think they ought to burn Nathan Estruth for being a lying shill, and do so prominently in the Plain Dealer - and then start investigating this shady organization and who else is behind it. Right now evidence is starting to stack up that it's citizens for a stronger Ohio reborn.

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PD only uses google and background checks

if they are first sent to them by campaigns.  duh.

yeah

not looking good is it ?

yeah, tim

if ever there was a time for you to come out of retirement, this is it. i'm just waiting for the expletive-ridden post you've no doubt written 5 times over...

naymik's disingenuous dossier on bloggers

speaks for itself.  in his phone explanation to me on how the PD's policy is to do background checks as routine, he very proudly and audibly patted on a pile of 14 background files he has on the bloggers in that story.  

one damn google search on this guy, who should have raised a bunch of red flags from the start, is, apparently, not in that policy.  

and the lesson is...

...if you take off the pjs, leave mom's basement, and go to a park, you dont get the background check. jeez, tim!!!

actually, the lesson is

it is very easy for a campaign to get naymik to print what they want him to print without him even knowing it.

You guys are all wrong.

You guys are all wrong. There are multiple lessons here but the biggest one is: how far will people go to get what they want? The guy in Foltin's campaign, John Kohlstrand, anonymous commenters who kept planting stuff about Tim when everyone knew it already, Dave Hickman?  These are examples along a spectrum - from just plain old persistent (Dave) to downright immoral (Foltin).

That is what this is about - everyone else is just a casualty - not that they don't bear some burden or blame but seriously...if Naymik had never even gone to that event, if the PD never even published the story, would any of this have come to light? Aren't our ears up more now and don't those who are doing, have done or planned to do the kinds of things Sean Hicks did and Estruth did going to be less successful now? And won't revealing what they're doing hurt their chances more than all the "help" they thought they were doing might have?

I'm not condoning the PD, Naymik or Estruth. I'm just saying, there's a big picture here with a big fat problem of behavior in it.

cockraoches and sunlight

I think you're right that shining a light on cockroaches is going to make them scuttle for the dark more than before.

This story would have developed without the Naymik hook - I know Bryan and I were talking about common sense ohio as soon as the ads hit the air.

But all these bad actors need to be on notice that unlike the past - there are now thousands of people paying attention to this crap as soon as it happens.

ps. this is all kinda ironic given the blogger association conversation the other day....

yup

It's a mixed up crazy world, Russell.  But certainly fumigating the pests has never been more important.  And more and more potent combinations - even of bloggers and newspaper reporters - seem to be constantly in demand.  I have it on good authority, that at the PD, they are none too happy about how Estruth conducted himself, (again, not to get anyone off the hook, but let's be clear as to who all the actors in this particular incident are).

Mark fesses up.

The Plain Dealer's mea culpa:

http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/openers/index.ssf?/mtlogs/cleve_openers/archives/2006_08.html#177591

Mark admits he has egg on his face.

Frankly, I think the big box blogs are being too hard on Mark, and not focusing on the real issue: the shadow group Common Sense Ohio.  Given his explanation, I think any other journalist, and indeed blogger, would have written the story he did.  He didn't have the benefit of learning what we ourselves just discovered.  And when that information came to light, he admitted to it and has published it.

Let's keep our eye on the ball here.

kinda

2 issues.

1. The info was available for them to check at the time - and they should have been a little suspicious of someone who gives thousands to Republicans only claiming to be on the fence. The SoS filing for common sense Ohio was a little more obscure.

2. the big story is Common Sense Ohio itself, who is behind it, and how much collusion is going on with Ken blackwell and the Ohio GOP who changed the law in 2004 to allow this crap to go on.

I think the PeeDee has a duty to report on this, and not just on their blog, but in the actual newspaper.

agreed

yes, mark and/or his editor made a judgement call that turned out to be wrong. happens all the time. the big issue is that this guy created a shadow group to attack strickland a few days before he gave the interview.

now inquiring minds need to pierce the corporate veil to see who else is behind this group.

one VITAL thing to remember -- if common sense ohio, the 501c4 mcfl corporation took a DIME of corporate money, everything they have done to date is illegal. period.

Everything the group has done is probably illegal anyways

A 501(c)(4) corporation cannot keep it's tax-emept status if it's primary activity is interjecting itself in political campaigns.  Unions and chambers of commerce can exist as a 501(c)(4) organization because politics are not their primary activity.  The same cannot be said about Common Sense.

I've been working on one of my legal posts with authority and everything.

heh

I just made a post with legal stuff in it! I'm a law expert now, or at least I play one on the blogs.

tough case

its a tough case to make, though you're right. the easiest is the corporate donations.

Maybe we should...

...tip off the Toledo Blade.  They're pretty good at rooting out monkey business these days.

I agree

The real issue is that this guy, knowing Mark was a PD reporter, didn't simply say to him, "I'm a Blackwell supporter here to check out what the opposition is saying." No harm in that; that's what that kid in Virginia was doing when George Allen called him "macaca" and he wasn't being seret about it. The real issue is the secrecy and underhandedness of the people working on Blackwell's side to attack Strickland.

So the big story is...

The President of Common Sense Ohio turns on Republicans?  

Nathan says it right here:  " "It's just common sense that we need change," Estruth said at Veterans Memorial Park in Union Township."

Come on Mark!  He is screaming that he is President of Common Sense Ohio!

Correction to above, Staff.  They ran checks on all but one, who was anonymous.

I look forward to the excellent forthcoming investigative reporting on the Nathan Esruth/Common Sense Ohio scandal.  Can't wait! 

"You better get politics or politics will get you" - my grandmother

Ohio GOP blog needs updating, dontcha think

I went over there and left an update for them on the post where they highlight Mr. Estruth's comments to Mark Naymik. The Ohio GOP blog moderates comments but I'm certain, in the interest of morality and integrity, they will, of course, post my comment that simply cites to the PD's correction about Mr. Estruth on Open today. I guess no one told the Ohio GOP blogger that gloating is a bad thing to do - in fact, I'm pretty sure it falls under at least one of the seven sins, probably the same one that covers deception by omission.  But I'm committing loshon hora here, I should stop.

MADONNA K ESTRUTH

Nate's wife, it turns out, is also a big donor.

Name: MADONNA K. ESTRUTH
Occupation: HOMEMAKER
Total Contributions: $10,100

That's only a few bucks short of the $11,325 contributed by her husband to republicans in Ohio.

But what REALLY pisses me off is the $2,100 he gave to Rick Santorum! 

God how I hate Rick Fucking Santorum...

double donor Nate...

So, if good 'ole Nate's wife is a "homemaker", he's the breadwinner in the household, and he's doubled his donations through her.  Wonder if there may be any children who have donated.  Anyone have a picture of "Madonna and Child"?

Homemakers for Blackwell

Actually, of the people who declared their occupation, Blackwell has received the most money from Homemakers.

Here are the top 5: 

HOMEMAKER:  $1,001,690
RETIRED:  $695,745
SELF: ATTORNEY AT LAW:  $164,557
SELF: PHYSICIAN: $121,143
STUDENT: $76,722

How could homemakers, retired people and students donate all that money?

I'm guessing the money is coming from the wife (1), parents(2) and children (5) of Doctors(4) and Lawyers (3).