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staff - Posted on 01 September 2006

Apparently the right thing to do when you are kidnapped by islamic terrorists is to let them chop your head off - at least that's what Nix Jihadi Guy sez.

I agree on the motive for the forced conversion and that it was intended for their own audience. But a forced conversion like this makes a serious Christian stand up and take notice.

Someone puts a gun in your face and says

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no, i'm Holier!
Submitted by Tim Russo on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 7:26pm.

CONVERSATION OVERHEARD AT A LOCAL ABERCROMBIE & FITCH

heh
Submitted by staff on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 7:37pm.
hilarious !
I have seen some of the same insane
Submitted by Nicole on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 7:32pm.
comments - The posters have totally removed themselves from reality and contradict their own "personal responsibility" mantra. How is it responsible to essentiall commit suicide instead of using every thing that you can to keep yourself alive for your family and loved ones?
The problem is
Submitted by Ryan on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 11:49am.
The problem is that folks like this don't distinguish between thoughts and words. They don't understand that religion and belief of God isn't about what you say, but what you do. If you are a good person - a moral person who helps his fellow man and treats everyone well then that shows your love and respect to God more than just saying it. Showing respect to your fellow human being says more about your faith than do empty words about being saved. If you look at the current governor's race as an example: Ken Blackwell says he is religious and a Christian and he feels that gives him license to say the most vicious things about gays, Democrats and people of other religions. He does this because he believes that his words, not his actions mean something. Ted Strickland on the other hand doesn't wear his religion on his sleeve but instead works to improve the lives of people, going back even 30 years to his work on mental health in Ohio. God, it seems to me, would care little about what people claim to be and would look more at how people live their lives - how they treat other people and what they do to help the people who need the most help.
This is an old, old problem.
Submitted by Muffet on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 12:25pm.
During the Spanish inquisition, Jews were forced to "convert" to Christianity. They did, to save their lives. They still, tho, kept practicing Judaism in secret. That's really what Kol Nidre is all about. Disavowing a vow which was made imprudently. Forgiveness for the "conversions." I think G-d understands. It's people who are stupid who don't.
Three sins...
Submitted by Jeff Hess on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 3:52pm.

Shalom Muffet,

I remember in one of my Talmud classes discussing the three Mitzvoth for which it was permissible and mandatory to become a martyr, three Commandments that you could not violate to save your own life:

1. Murder, you could not murder another to save your own life, i.e. "kill him or I will shoot you;"

2. Rape, because rape is akin to murder, a crime for which there is no forgiveness since it can not be made right; and

3. Denying God/forced conversion. This last, however, was finessed. If, as was in the example you offered, the denial/conversion was in private, it was permissible but not mandatory. If the forced conversion was not in private but a minyan was not present, it was permissible but not mandatory. Even if a minyan were present and you were not a figure of standing in the community, it was permissible but still not mandatory.

Only if you were a person of standing in the community and the forced conversion took place in public -- think Akiva and the Romans as they skinned him alive with the hot comb -- is it permissible and mandatory to martyr yourself. The idea in the last example was that a person with standing in the community might lead others to convert without compulsion.

The flip side of all of this, of course, is that it is forbidden to martyr yourself for any Commandment other than these three. If someone puts the gun to your head and says eat the double bacon cheese burger, you eat the double bacon cheese burger.

The reasoning? To martyr yourself for any of the other 610 Mitzvoth would be to violate the greater Commandment to "seek life."

B'shalom,

Jeff

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