Hillary stokes Muslim rumor despite knowing for a fact that Obama is not Muslim UPDATE [x2 VIDEO]

 


The takeaway for me from the 60 Minutes Ohio story is that the Muslim rumor about Barack Obama has become pervasive. It filtered all the way down to a guy in Chillicothe who lost his job at a paper plant. Just where do you think he got this information? And why does he believe it to the point that he has to be corrected by Steve Kroft in a nationally televised interview?

Schoenholtz told Kroft he is leaning towards Obama, but that there were a couple of issues he was “not too clear” on.

Asked what they were, Schoenholtz said, “Well, I'm hearin' he doesn't even know the National Anthem, you know. He wouldn't use the Holy Bible. He's got his own beliefs, got the Muslim beliefs. Couple issues that bothers me at heart.”

“You know that's not true,” Kroft remarked.

“No. I’m just…this is what I've been told,” he replied.

And of course Hillary does her best to stoke the rumor without sounding like she's stoking the rumor.

“You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?” Kroft asked Sen. Clinton.

“Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that,” she replied.

“You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not…a Muslim. You don't believe that he's…,” Kroft said.

“No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know,” she said.

“It's just scurrilous…?” Kroft inquired.

“Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors, that I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time,” Clinton said.

She takes Senator Obama at his word. She doesn't denounce the rumor, neither does she reject it, just that she takes him at his word. Despite the fact that Chelsea attended the same church service as Michelle Obama in January. Despite the fact that Hillary raised money for Obama in 2004 and still has a picture of Obama's family on her desk.

Asked if she likes Sen. Obama, Clinton said, "Sure I do. You know, I liked him before we got into this election. I campaigned for him. I met him and his children. In fact, I went to Chicago to campaign and raise money for him. And we had a picture taken at the event, this was in 2004."

"And I put the picture in my office. It's still there. I look at Barack and Michelle and their daughters every day when I'm in my office. I think he's an extraordinary person. And we were friends before, and we will be friends afterwards," she added.

I'd say Hillary could have been a tad more definitive on the Muslim rumor. Either way, this thing has gotten out there, and now that Steve Kroft has corrected one voter in person, I'd say Obama picks up a vote in Chillicothe, and a few more among 60 Minutes viewers. Which might be why Hillary just sorta, you know, takes Obama's word on it. As far as I know.

UPDATE - what readers are saying....as far as I know.

The Clintons can't just be defeated on Tuesday, they have to be put away for good. They have to be humiliated and any shreds of a legacy or reputation burnt and buried. There is talk that if Clinton looses the nomination she will become majority leader in the Senate. No way in HELL we can allow this. If this becomes an issue I want to make sure every Obama supporter calls, emails, writes, harasses their Senators to ensure Clinton isn't allowed to get to this position. There is not one redeeming feature about the Clintons. I can't even express my disgust at them with out resorting to vulgarities.

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To hell with the Clintons..

The Clintons can't just be defeated on Tuesday, they have to be put away for good. They have to be humiliated and any shreds of a legacy or reputation burnt and buried.  There is talk that if Clinton looses the nomination she will become majority leader in the Senate. No way in HELL we can allow this. If this becomes an issue I want to make sure every Obama supporter calls, emails, writes, harasses their Senators to ensure Clinton isn't allowed to get to this position. There is not one redeeming feature about the Clintons. I can't even express my disgust at them with out resorting to vulgarities.

I feel exactly the same way

She would say anything if she knew for sure it would give her an undue advantage. When the McCain-lobbyist story broke, Huckabee didn't say "I take him at his word", even though that seemed like the miracle he'd been waiting for. 

The Clintons are making it extremely hard for many people to give them the benefit of the doubt. Now, you know why she has the highest negatives of any candidate in this race, Democrat or Republican.

she is putting self interest above common interest

doesn't care about playing fair? no standards for political discourse? no qualms about chronic divisiveness, with a resort to unprincipled, insulting spewing of slime. and this is conduct unbecoming while asking for our vote. how beastly would the bwaaahhaahaha curdle if people made the mistake of enabling her crass ambition. what did she leave in the whitehouse that she so desperately, shamelessly needs to insist, flail..., demand we fail and fall at her feet? good work and quick Tim, appreciate this info I did not think it could get worse, this is tragic. here is a schloarly piece on Barack's name JUAN COLE Wednesday, February 27, 2008 Barack Hussein Obama, Omar Bradley, Benjamin Franklin and other Semitically Named American Heroes http://www.juancole.com/2008/02/barack-hussein-obama-omar-bradley.html the hillary stategists assumptions did not do justice to the mood, insulted the intelligence, and sold us short this is a great article just came out Insist vs. Assist passive citizenry vs. active citizenry self-interest / Common Interest Meanwhile, Barack Obama has been reminding voters that meaningful change can only come from below and only then if people are willing to struggle, sacrifice, and search for common ground. His vision of active citizenship runs directly counter to Clinton's passive image of voters dependent on politicians to deliver "solutions." As Obama stressed in his first electoral run in 1995, office seekers should not view "voters or communities as consumers, as mere recipients or beneficiaries of this change." Instead, he stated, "It's time for politicians and other leaders to take the next step and to see voters, residents, or citizens as producers of this change. The thrust of our organizing must be on how to make them productive, how to make them employable, how to build our human capital, how to create businesses, institutions, banks, safe public spaces -- the whole agenda of creating productive communities. That is where our future lies." Two Directions Presented For America's Political Future Scott Kurashige http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-kurashige/two-ways-to-view-change_b_89454.html

Overreaction

I don't see how her comments on 60 Minutes were that salacious. She denied it. Said that she took him at his word. And that should be the end of it. I think the main point should be that doesn't matter if he's a Muslim. Not all Muslims are terrorists. That should be the end of it. The debate should be about ideas and policies instead of this mudslinging. Why aren't we talking about how Obama's health plan is deficient, or how he does not have the experience that Hillary does, or how Obama hasn't held a single hearing on the committee he chairs in the Senate.

Re: Overreaction

I think people are reacting based on their preconceptions of the candidate. Hillary was verbose in her denial, but so much so that people who have grown sick of Clintonian parsing sense duplicity.

Why "I take him at his word"? Why choose that phrasing? In case he is lying and revealed as such at a later date Hillary will have wiggle room to not also be implicated in his dastardly conspiracy? Why not just say the rumor is ridiculous and be done with it. Candidates only use that "take him at his word" phrasing when they want to have plausible deniability.

I agree that this issue should be put to bed once and for all but (evidently) for some voters in Ohio (I have met one) have been exposed to this rumor and it is coloring their judgment.

It is a lot worse than

It is a lot worse than parsing her words for plausible deniability.  It is clearly a statement designed to leave doubt that Obama is trustworthy and believable in his statements.  


It took her  four lines to answer a yes or no question.  She intentionally qualifies each 'no' in an attempt to leave doubt that Obama is being forthright about his religious belief.  


Candidates use the kinds of phrasing Clinton did when they want to suggest their opponents are lying.
 

Re: It is a lot worse than

I was trying to be as generous as possible in my reading, audiored. :)

I hear ya. 

Hillary didn't kill Vince

Hillary didn't kill Vince Foster. As far as I know.

Yeah

I take her at her word.

What if she had said this ...

  • STEVE KROFT: You don't believe that Senator McCain is a traitor?
  • HILLARY CLINTON: Of course not. I mean that's, you know, that, there is no basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says, and, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.
  • KROFT: You said you take Sen. McCain at his word that he is not a traitor.
  • CLINTON: Right, right.
  • KROFT: You don't believe that he is a traitor.
  • CLINTON: No! No! Why would I? There's nothing to base that on. As far as I know.

If she had said that everyone -- and I mean everyone -- would agree her "As far as I know" and her "I take him on the basis of what he says" would be outrageous. These are things about which you cannot leave any room for doubt. And she almost went out of her way to leave room for doubt -- particularly with that "as far as I know" bit at the end.

Re: What if she had said this ...

Haha!

That's an excellent point, Fozzie.

as far as i know, he doesn't beat his wife

excellent point fozzie.  well put.

Pathetic...

...is always the first word that comes to mind when I hear about Hillary and her campaign's latest insinuations and attacks.

Hillary Does Attack Not Attack but Offers Solutions!

I am very sorry to hear that you feel that way however in Ohio today Senator Obama made the biggest blunder. He gave credit to Senator Jay Rockefeller for voting against what he read in the NIE. He misspoke. It is not a quote and it can be listened as a video. The first word that comes to mind regarding Senator OBAMA wrong, wrong words, wrong time, wrong place and wrong to say untruths and direct me and Senator Hillary Clinton while she was miles away from him in Westervile Ohio. Now do you have anything more you would like to add?

Joey

Barack's Blunder

That is funny but his mistake did not send our military into a war ill prepared to fight it.  Our soldiers were not trained to fight a war in a city going door to door. 

 

So I 'll take Barack's blunder over Hillary's vote for the war blunder any day.

60 minutes interview

This is a woman that understands exactly what she says - targetting those less well informed voters, in this case working-class white male voters, with language that protects her politically, and does little to dispel the seeds of doubt, planted early in her campaign with regards to Obama's childhood education. If there is ever to be a paradigm shift in national politics, it will not be with Hillary at the helm.

We're counting on Ohio

As a North Carolinian currently residing in Washington, DC, I can attest that Democrats in all parts of the country are very much hoping that Ohio rejects the Clinton campaign's fearmongering and misrepresentations in favor of a politics of new possibility. I have personally been troubled by yesterday's assault on Obama by the Clinton campaign and the media - both of whom want to see this race continue. Pollsters are already out there saying Hillary's negative ads and attacks are working in Ohio. We need those of you who've seen these tactics before speak not only for Ohio, but for the rest of us as well.

Republicans are voting in

Republicans are voting in force to keep her in the race so Dems have to burn more $$$$$$ ... Clinton will win Ohio. Their primary vote doesn't matter since McCain has it locked up.