Hey modern.....are you "sleep-deprived" too?
Submitted by Tim Russo on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 10:08am.
Here's the meeting from yesterday with Hillary and Scaife, a man who still thinks Hillary killed Vince Foster, put him in a trunk, and drove Foster's body to a park to dispose of it.
Oh...and here's the "newspaper"'s account of the meeting.
Clinton made the comments during a 90-minute interview with Trib reporters and editors. Also in attendance was Tribune-Review owner Richard M. Scaife, who sat directly to Clinton's right during the meeting. The Tribune-Review was a frequent critic of former President Bill Clinton's administration.
Maybe you've been under a bit too much sniper fire, modern.
confucius say
Submitted by Eric Vessels on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 10:59am.
confucius say: click linky. see picy. no make ass of selfy.
oh, eric, modern just "misspoke"
Submitted by Tim Russo on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:02am.
because of all that sleep deprivation and sniper fire he not only didn't have time to click the lin, he couldn't even READ THE DAMN POST ITSELF TO SEE THE MEETING TOOK PLACE.
hey, it happens
Submitted by Eric Vessels on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:06am.
happens all the time. i often never even read a post or click any of the links before forcefully countering it with shit i made up as i typed.
i mean, it happens.
incoming sniper fire! run for cover under scaife!
Submitted by Tim Russo on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:10am.
sleep deprivation makes you do some odd things.
thank god there isn't a candidate
Submitted by 2010 Buckeye on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:21am.
who thinks we should have some sort of bipartisan transformative era where we play nice with people like scaife. oh wait....
At least I own up to my mistakes...
Submitted by modernesquire on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 1:14pm.
Never seen a post ridiculing something the commenter himself corrected AFTER he corrected it.
Still waiting for Jerid to own up to his prediction that Obama would carry California. Tim's claim that Ohio would turn out like Wisconsin. Jerid's claim that Obama's internals showed him pulling within the margin of error (posted on the same day Obama pulled out of Ohio before the election), Tim's acknowledgment that his, like, five posts on how the Wright was a non-story, Jerid and Tim's acknowledgment that the poll they cited as evidence that African Americans would monolithically abandon the Democratic Party forever if Hillary is the nominee actually showed that a majority would still support her and that, in fact, Obama would have a problem with white voters in the general election if he is the nominee as he currently gets only 36% of the vote, and then there's Tim's incessant whining about how that same poll shows that Hillary can't win Ohio when there's polling showing that Hillary currently would win Ohio, but all polling shows Obama losing Ohio to McCain. Then there's the prediction that Hillary couldn't carry Ohio in the primary by more than the eight points she needed to justify the race (the Redfern standard which was embraced here and then quickly forgotten once votes were counted.) I'm sure there's more, but there's work to be done.
Enjoy the "pwnage" and keep trying to convince yourself that even though Obama's favorability rating is statistically down where Clinton is , and there's no state he'll carry that Kerry didn't in 2004, that Obama hasn't been severely damaged by Rev. Wright- Obama's biggest charitable benefactor. Keep saying it even thought the Obama campaign itself has tried to keep the Wright story in the news by pushing an old photo of Wright with former President Clinton.
I acknowledge corrected my mistake (a very minor one) within minutes of making it. I'm not holding my breath you'll ever do the same.
just read before you comment, modern
Submitted by Tim Russo on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 1:20pm.
it's not that hard. unless of course, you're under sniper fire while sleep-deprived.
Parse much?
Submitted by modernesquire on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 1:28pm.
I've never seenn so much attention to a comment that was already struck thru before it was criticized. I could have easily just erased it. The rest of my comment is true.
If Clinton is Judas for this, then isn't Obama for going on Faux Noise? Where do you draw the Judas line?
And if you honestly think that the conservatives aren't going to use Wright in 527s ads this fall and that it won't work, you are wrong.
But keeping telling yourself that Wright is a non-story and that one speech last week erased it from being an issue. I guess we'll see before November which one pans out.
query
Submitted by RMC2000 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 2:37pm.
while it's true that the wright story hurt obama to some degree as a news item, is there a way to craft an attack ad using wright's words in such a way as to cause enough harm to outweigh the inevitable sympathy raised by such an attack? while i have no doubts that many will try, off the top of my head, i can't think of a way to attack one's spiritual advisor without causing more harm than good to the attacking party's cause. that being said, attacking obama on the basis of wright's more inflammatory words is likely to have significant repercussions in that it will inevitably heighten racial sensitivities by raising questions as to whether, on balance, america has been a good deal for african americans. my guess is that the answer to this question will generally split along racial lines. if this becomes a key campaign issue in the way that kerry's military service became an issue, then granny bar the door, because 2008 will make 1968 look like schoolyard shenanigans
Yeah...
Submitted by modernesquire on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 4:45pm.
I remember how much the Willie Horton ad hurt G.H.W.B.'s image, or how Helms regularly used outrageous race-baiting ads in his re-election bids which hurt his image nationally.
I also remember that despite all the howling, they both won.
I don't think people are going to sudden have sympathy you're claiming. It hasn't so far.
my point isn't that it's race baiting
Submitted by RMC2000 on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 3:49pm.
my point is that attacks on someone's spiritual advisor risk backlash and seem petty, and i'm fairly sure we've never seen anything like that.
We've never had a presidential candidate
Submitted by modernesquire on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 4:07pm.
Whose actual and longtime spiritual advisor openly preached that AIDS and drugs was a government conspiracy against one particular race and that America was responsible for 9/11 before. So, it's a little hard to use historical precedent as a guide here.
It may seem unfair since Obama has renounced the controversial statements, but petty? Really? I don't think it'll come off as petty.
And I think it'll work even better than Willile Horton or the Swift Boats.
Is there a risk? Yeah, but there's also a big chance for a huge reward, too. And that risk is one that the GOP has historically been all too willing to take time and time again.
But, maybe you agree with Tim that the party of Willie Horton who can now hide behind anonymous 527s instead of associating it with McCain directly will be too gun shy to raise Wright. But I see absolutely no evidence of it, and a lot of evidence to the contrary.
The problem with the Swiftboats, Willie Horton and 527s wasn't
Submitted by BuckeyeNation on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 4:12pm.
because they happened or will happen again.
It became a problem because they were never promptly responded to when they occurred.
Or because the response was messy
Submitted by modernesquire on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 4:16pm.
Such as portion of Obama's speech that actually dealt with Wright. Look I know I'm not going to convince you or Tim that the Wright story isn't a non-story. That every night until election night you're going to bed repeating this line that last Tuesday's speech put the Wright matter away as an issue and this is somehow different from Willie Horton or the Swiftboats.
But I think that's all crap. It's going to be used, it's going to be effective, and it's going to be added to the list of Willie Horton, Swiftboats... etc, as unfair Republican attacks that completely sunk a Democratic Presidential campaign.
I've never stated or implied
Submitted by BuckeyeNation on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 8:31pm.
that the Wright story has no legs with segments of the electorate, or that it won't be used by the Repub smear-machine. But it's total BS to argue that we should all jump on the Hillary bandwagon because "the swiftboaters are gonna get 'em" with replaying Rev. Wright stories ad nauseam.
If you want to go down that road that this is why Clinton should be the nominee, then consider the fact that Clinton has so much baggage that Repubs will almost be hard-pressed to decide which of the many lines of attack they will use against her. Trustworthiness, ala the numerous "I brought peace to Northern Ireland" or the Bosnia-ducking-snipers canards, are two of the more recent examples of this 800 lb. gorilla Clinton carries around. This theme would be used, and it would be devastatingly effective.
All I'm saying is that the people who stoke this story are people who don't like or hate Obama, like self-proclaimed "Democrat" Taylor Marsh and her sycophant echo-chamber of Clintonista-Obama-haters and their ilk.
Unlike prior Democratic candidates who hoped Willie Horton or the swiftboaters would "go away," the Obama team is always quick on responding to attacks. The attacks will be countered and the portion of the electorate who will decide this election will see it to be the divisive racial BS that it is.
Bil O'Reilly's book 'Culture
Submitted by Magi1 on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 11:28am.
Bil O'Reilly's book 'Culture Warrior' claims that only 17% of black voters support same-sex marriage ... are black people homophobes? If 83% of black people are against same-sex marriage, where is the outcry from the democratic party against those bigoted black people AMOUNG THEIR OWN RANKS? Obama doesn't even support same-sex marriage! What is influencing Obama's moral compass on this issue? ... this homophobic 'hate' thought against the LGBT community? Could it be from Pastor Wright? It's one thing for a conservative pastor to preach fire and brimstone about LBGT issues ... but for a liberal pastor to go after them? Where is the outrage?
You expect
Submitted by Nick D on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 4:27pm.
Magi, if you expect anyone on this blog to take seriously anything written by the Frank Burns of news, you need to go have another beer or something.
70% of black children born out of wedlock
Submitted by Schmennis on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 5:35pm.
Sadly, a recent study suggest that now, almost 70 percent of black children are born out of wedlock.
Apparently your 83 % are against any type of marriage.
Dr ... do you have more
Submitted by Magi1 on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 9:04pm.
Dr ... do you have more accurate figures? What % of black voters support gay marriage? Enlighten me!
"Republicans don't need black voters, but they want them. Democrats don't want black voters, but they need them" - Rev. Jesse Jackson
Are you forgetting something?
Submitted by nzbobster on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 6:28am.
In 2004, gay marriage bans succeeded in every state they were put on the ballot, meaning that neither Blacks nor Whites favored it. Using a statistic put together by a journalist who couldn't care less about minority demographic trends does not make any sense, and is a sign of ethnic ignorance at best and bigotry at worst.
Bill has an open door with
Submitted by Magi1 on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 9:20am.
Bill has an open door with many black leaders, Al Sharpton is on the show ALL THE TIME ... Bill does 'care' about the black plight ... he feels that liberals view them as children that need to be 'taken care of' ... that is racist and bigoted! Raise your expectations of black people and they will join white/asian/latino society ... tell them they can't do it without your help and they will suck your nipple.
i've been up all night
Submitted by RMC2000 on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 11:01am.
so i'm a little grouchy, but i have a question: when is someone (besides chris matthews) going to call a spade a spade and come out and say that hillary clinton has no more experience than barack obama, and that being the spouse of a government official is not the same as being that official? and if you agree that she doesn't have that experience, what unique quality does she bring to the table (other than a sharp intellect)? i guess my question boils down to: why does hillary clinton deserve to be president of this country?
pwned