HB 545

I am a single father of three children.  I have had a career in the aviation field since serving 7 years in the U.S. Navy.  I make mid 40's for yearly income.  Then I pay my monthly bills and there is no more room for anythng else.  There have been several times that these payday advance businesses have saved me from a grim financial time.  In this position, I haven't got family, friends to rely on and have to resort to "survival of the fittest."  When a check is returned at my bank, it is the equivelant charge of getting a payday loan of $250 (the fee would be $37 vs. a $35 fee from my bank.)  Granted, of course there is a loan involved but the money was used for food, gas etc. 

Why is it in the interest of our local state gov. to forbid this?  I have spoken to people that are well off with money and everyone of them have agreed that these loans should be terminated, the business should be put under as if they are loan sharks.  I have never been late on payment so I wouldn't know what happens if you don't pay, surly it isn't good though.  Nevertheless, it is a way out of $100's of dollars in bank fees.

Do you think more thought could have been put into this decision.  It will effect me more than I like to think.  I am not reliant on these payday loans to get by in my everday life, however there are times I don't know what I would do without them.  More times than their decision of "4."  This could actually cause a downward spiral by not being able to get assistance if needed. 

Of course there hasn't been any thought put into the actual effect it has on people that need these payday loans.  It has saved myself and my 3 children several times.  Why would there be a limit put on an almost instantanious savior (if you will).  Please explain the reasoning?  Please explain why I'm limited to 4x a year of feeding my children if the help is needed.  There is truly no assistance for middle class.  There is more assistance for a woman who purposely intends a free meal ticket by having numerous children.  And for the wealthy, a good credit score is all that's needed to advance in life.  So where is the help for the common middle class parent that has worked throughout his life.

Thank you  and if this is in the wrong place my appologies

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Vote Yes on Issue 5 for Lower Interest Rates!

Let me start by saying thank you for your service and for your hard work raising your 3 children. I'm sure that can be a handful! Certainly there are instances that arise when we all need access to cash relatively quickly and most of us have been caught of guard by $35 NSF fees at our bank. I'd say that I hope legislation is introduced that will serve to reduce fees on those as well. It appears that you are not a regular user of payday loans (once or twice when things get really tight). This is not the situation for the average borrower of payday loans. Many take out 11 or 12 or more per year and according to the industry's own researchers, many end up in a cycle of debt for 18 to 24 months. So, for nearly 2 years, some people are taking out payday loan after payday loan, getting further and further into debt. Payday lending negatively impacts nearly 300,000 people in Ohio and Ohio House Bill 545 caps interest rates on payday loans, in an effort to end or slow the cycle of debt for those borrowers. The bill does not ban payday lending or force stores to close, it simply requires that payday lenders charge lower interest rates, something that is good for you as a customer. Vote Yes on Issue 5 for lower interest rates!

Not just limiting interest rates

When I researched Payday loans a while back, I discovered that it's not just about limiting rates. In order for these businesses to stay in business, they have to charge exhorbitant rates. One study in England showed that it costs at least $25 for a $200 loan. Charging lower fees means the company loses money and will go out of business. I am against payday lending and have stated this before. Dadof3, my hat is off to you. Sounds like you're working hard to raise your family. Here'e my suggestion, next time you have a few extra dollars, stash it away. Once you get $200, treat it like a payday loan. "Borrow" the money, then pay it back with $250. Do this four times a year and you'll have an extra $200. As it is, you're giving these guys $200 a year of your hard earned money.

New Video of Voters Deceived by Payday Lobby

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Is 391% too high? Yes! Vote yes on issue 5!

Vote Yes on Issue 5 for lower interest rates! We need to keep the reforms of payday lending that passed in June. HB 545 lowered interest rates on payday loans from 391% to 28% APR. This is a good thing for Ohio consumers and allows payday lenders to stay in business! http://www.yesonissue5.org

It is not...

Normal 0 It is not a secret anymore that our country is facing economic crisis today, with this situation it is not practical to eliminate financial options of the consumers. Some politicians in the government are looking forward to eliminate the payday loan industry because of the so-called predatory lending. However, getting rid of this would violate the financial freedom of the people. Predatory lending is only a mere allegation because they say that the APR is said to be so outrageous. Have you compared the APR of a payday loan with the APR of a bounced check, credit card fees or even a utility bill? Look at this:
  • $100 payday advance with $15 fee = 391% APR;
  • $100 bounced check with $48 NSF/merchant fees = 1,251% APR;
  • $100 credit card balance with $26 late fee = 678% APR;
  • $100 utility bill with $50 late/reconnect fees = 1,304% APR
What do you think is the better choice? Read more on this topic about Fast Payday Loans.

I find it interesting

That this would come up now, long after the election. Just yesterday, I was doing some searching on payday loan information and found the "facts" listed above. It hasn't changed my mind any (I'm strongly opposed to the business).

To the author of the above, I would say the options listed are indeed bad choices, but I would then repeat what my mother said to me as a young child -  - "If your friend jumped off a clip, would you do it too?"

Well, would you???

That's it, we have different decision in life! If a person wants to apply for a payday loan, why are we going to deprive him of what he wants? This is a democratic country, right? If you don't want payday loan as your financial option then don't apply for it. I'm not forcing you to do so. The problem with some consumers is that because of their desperation to have money they would just apply to any payday loan available in town without gathering first information that would guide them about the pros and cons of having loans. Consumers must seek first enough information so that they may know what is the best payday loan company that could help them on their financial matter.

No I wouldn't - and I'd prevent you if I could

My mother's advice not to jump off a cliff (even I couldn't type it) also would have extended to me trying to prevent my friend from jumping off in the first case.

Actually, we don't live in a democracy, we live in a democratic republic. We elect representatives to make laws for us and we trust the courts to look out for the good of all, not just the majority. I don't always agree with the representatives we choose and certainly don't agree with some of the judges' decisions. But I do follow their directions.

I went through some research on Payday loans. I concluded with an analogy to cocaine. The user may feel like he's not hurtung anyone else, but that still doesn't make it right. Closing down the cocaine seller will cause some to lose jobs and may hurt those dependant on the seller, but it's still the right thing to do.

Don't worry I won't jump off a clip

Cocaine is different from payday loans. Payday Loan helps a consumer when he is in dire need of money unlike cocaine it destroys the health of a person. Cocaine might give pleasure to the user but still it has bad effects on him. I agree about closing down the cocaine seller because it destroy the health of the consumer but I still believe that payday loan should not be eliminated from financial option of the consumer. Payday loan really helps, it is just a matter of how are you going to spend the money you have lent and it is also a matter of looking for a payday loan company that could really help you. And one more thing payday loan is far away better than cocaine. 

Here's What I Think About Payday Lending:

If they earn enough to pay their employee's to spam our blog, they can probably afford to lower their interest rates.

Spamming is very different

Spamming is very different from giving information. 

HB 545 is not the answer

While I can agree that a 28% rate cap sounds like a good move, it is not the way to handle this issue. The APRs charged by payday loan companies vary based on the duration of the loan. A person who borrows 100.00 owes 115.00 their next payday. If their next pay is in 14 days, the APR is 391.07%. If their next pay is in 28 days, the APR will lower by half. These are in fact simple interest loans. Regardless of when payment is due, the amount the customer pays is EXACTLY the same. This service has kept many people from incurring bounced check fees, higher interest rates on credit cards, utility reconnection fees and multiple late fees. What would you do if your fuel pump went out on your car on Monday and had no way to get to work. You get paid on Friday, but your boss says if you don't make it in to work by Thursday, you are out of a job. Who is going to help? Do you think the auto shop would say "OK, I understand." NO! They would hold the car until the job is paid in full. Fortunately, a good majority of people have other options to fall back on like a credit card. There are a lot that don't have any cushion at all. Any of you out there that think this is not a ban on payday lending are mistaken. If each loan brings in a quarterly profit of $1.28, how long could they stay in business. These stores couldn't even pay the electric bill with that kind of profit! All this bill is doing is taking away the publics right to make thier own financial decisions. Do you really want the government to take away your choices? How about we let the government decide which bills you should pay and on what day they should be paid. I ask you, who is going to step up and help these people when this choice is taken away from them? I assure you, noone. The rug is being pulled out from underneath them. This industry has already been dragged through the mud enough, and with all that the public now knows about payday lending, if a person still thinks it is their best or only option, they should have the right to make the decision for themselves!

Payday Loans are Defective Product

Again, I hate to repeat myself again and again (here and other places), just because you let someone know that you are ripping them off, doesn't make it ok that you're doing it! Payday loans are a defective product that is designed to trap people in debt! Their business model is dependent upon trapping people in debt. There are alternatives available for consumers. Ohio credit unions offer a product called stretch pay and the Ohio Treasurer is in the process of creating a "link deposit" program. Other small loans are available elsewhere. The other key thing to remember is that HB 545 does not ban payday loans, it merely caps interest rates on payday loans at 28% APR! Payday lenders can still provide loans to Ohio consumers under HB 545 at a much more reasonable rate! VOTE YES ON ISSUE 5 to Keep HB 545!

John Rabenold & the Grocers Association

The payday lobby has been celebrating their gained endorsement of the Ohio Grocers Association. What they aren't touting is the reason why! The President and CEO of the Ohio Grocers Association, Tom Jackson, also happens to be the father-in-law of former Republican candidate and Check 'N Go lobbyist, John Rabenold! If you recall, John Rabenold raised over $100,000 from the payday lending industry for his race for state representative. Nothing like some more undue influence being wielded by the payday lending lobby in Ohio! Vote yes on issue 5 for lower interest rates!

PayDay Opponents do NO research !

An OHIOAN standing up for my right against Governmental Abuse of Power. It is the representative's duties to REGULATE the state, not the people and their choices. This is a clear abuse of power. A few comments state that this bill doesnt ban payday loans. Yes it does. This cap allows a little under 2.00 profit on the loan. That is BEFORE overhead is considered. It costs more to print the contract out and pay the teller for 10 minutes than the profit received. This APR is a severe misrepresentation of the interest rate on Pay Day loans. Please take the time to read prior to making assumptions about this industry... You borrow $100, you pay $15 for that 100 dollars and pay it back. APR 15% Opposing Representatives that probably failed their first year of algebra, and didnt make it to trigonometry think the following. $100 borrowed ONCE for a year-----BUT: $15 paid every two weeks (26 times) for that ONE LOAN (390$ over one year) 100/390=390%APR That WOULD be 390% APR, however, the theory of a customer only borrowing the $100 once but continuing to pay $15 every two weeks is ILLEGAL. The state of Ohio doesnt allow “roll-overs”. Roll-overs are defined as letting a customer borrow an amount of money for 2 weeks, and if they cannot pay it back, paying the fee to extend the loan another two weeks. ILLEGAL, see Ohio Revised Code 1315. So the true math is defined as below: $100 borrowed every two weeks = 2600 $15 paid to borrow every two weeks = $390 390/2600 = 15% APR Additionally, There are intelligent groups that actually SUPPORT Payday lenders and understand the ecomonic impact the passage of this bill could have--6,000 jobs gone, $176 MILLION in yearly SALARY being the top, thats in addition to the 8,000 DHL jobs gone. In one fell swoop you are looking at 14, 000 jobs GONE. The Ohio Chamber of Commerce, as well as the Ohio Grocers Association speak out on behalf of Payday lending and the effect of its eradication...Check it out. According to paydayfacts.org, The Ohio Grocers Association has backed Ohioans For Financial Freedom. The group is stating that consumers are going through a lot of economic hardships, and taking away additional sources of financial help is not the way to go. The other aspect they are concerned about is the fact that if this legislation takes effect, 6,000 employees in the payday lending industry could loose their jobs, resulting in their bills and loans becoming delinquent ultimately affecting other financial industries. This group believes that consumers should be able to make their own decisions about borrowing money, and the government should not be making that decision. Either way, the payday loan lead type is a very demanded lead type with Leadpile Lead Exchange. We shall see if Ohio falls in the footsteps of some other states developing legislation in this industry. Ohio Chamber of Commerce Backs Financial Choice, Jobs and Competition August 25th, 2008 • Ohio Chamber of Commerce Backs Ohioans For Financial Freedom To Keep Jobs and Consumer Choice COLUMBUS, OH – The Board of Directors of the Ohio Chamber of Commerce has given its support to Ohioans For Financial Freedom saying imposing overbroad government regulations is not the way to revitalize Ohio’s economy. “The Ohio Chamber champions free enterprise and economic competitiveness and we believe HB 545, as passed by the Ohio General Assembly, runs counter to our mission”, said Andrew E. Doehrel, president and CEO of the Ohio Chamber of Commerce. “This new law, if not reined in by Ohio voters, will drive an entire industry and 6,000 good-paying jobs out of our state.” If HB 545 goes into effect it means the loss of nearly $300 million to Ohio’s economy including $172.6 million in annual employee payroll, benefits and payroll taxes, $76.8 million lost in rent revenue to landlords across the state, and $23 million lost in advertising vendors. In response to this legislation, most of the major payday lending companies have announced they will close stores in Ohio putting as many as 6,000 jobs with benefits in jeopardy. “As we strive to turn around our economy we must allow the free market to meet consumer demands and facilitate the creation of much needed jobs”, said Doehrel. With 1,600 stores in the state, consumer demand for short-term credit is clear. Payday advance fills a need not met by traditional financial institutions and is a convenient, less costly option for short-term, unsecured credit. Removing access to reasonably-regulated storefront payday lending will force consumers into more expensive, and possibly even less-desirable, alternatives. Ohioans For Financial Freedom is working to repeal section (3) of HB 545 offering consumers more lending options. Founded in 1893, the Ohio Chamber of Commerce is Ohio’s largest statewide business advocacy group. The Chamber works to promote and protect the interests of its members - large and small - while building a more favorable Ohio business climate.

VOTE YES ON 5 for FAIR LENDING!

Thanks for the press release! The payday lobby refuses to tell Ohio voters that their product traps people in debt. The payday lobbyists want us to think that because there is a 24 hour cooling off period between paying one payday loan off and getting another one at the same shop, that no one is going back to that shop 24 HOURS LATER or going to ANOTHER payday lender to pay off the first. It's outrageous that they keep pulling that line - it's very, very misleading! They also keep saying that 391% APR isn't just that - 391% APR. $15 on $100 for a two week loan, ANNUALIZED is 391% APR!!! It's a way for consumers to see how badly they are being ripped off and it's disclosure is required by federal law! Payday lending in its current form, with interest rates almost always reaching 391% APR, is predatory and is fundamentally flawed. House Bill 545 made payday loans more fair and less harmful to the average Ohio borrower. This is a good thing for our state and we should vote 'yes' on issue 5 to uphold those reforms. Vote yes on issue 5!

Ir-Regular and the regular comment-VOTE NO ON ISSUE 5

Wow Regular--what a creative name--it sums up your comment..AVERAGE. Your post is an average opponents words. Unresearched uninformed uneducated. You WOULD think my comment is a Press Release--however it involved a little thing call RESEARCH to end up with the most important part --FACTS. The opponent will never educate himself so that he makes informed decisions. He is a follower. Hey Regular Puppet--are the strings on your limbs uncomfortable? For the rest of us that care about facts Do the Math, understand this is NOT the governments job to start eradicating businesses especially around--ELECTION TIME--you think they REALLY care? Nah--it makes them look better to sway against "financial traps" as they put it to make their platform "look better" but again--its a guise. Regular--do you like fast food? Well--I think its time to pull your strings away from fatty tempting disgusting food--you cannot make your OWN decisions, so lets create a bill to eradicate the fast food joints. They are predatory with their tempting crispy fried and cheesy delights. BAN THE BURGER--its the only choice to protect the "stupid" ohioans that cannot make decisions on their own....Does this thought disgust or outrage you? THEN VOTE NO ON ISSUE 5--it is OUR right to make our OWN decisions. Protect our options, choices and freedom. VOTE NO on ISSUE 5.

Death To The Evil Tool Rental Yards!

My local tool rental joint will let you take one of these home for $10.00 per day. It's worth about $100. Isn't that, like 3,650% or something? Hey, I'm no math whiz, but I know enough that these guys are taking advantage of us poor wheelbarrow deprived souls. It's just not right. Seriously, these guys need to be taken down.

tudorman, I went down to the local rental yard

to rent a drain cleaner rotor rooter tyoe thing.  Cost me $27 for 2 hours.  Saved me I figure $100.  Should I subtract the $27 from the $100 it saved me and then use that figure to factor the interest rate? I made myself a cup of coffee while I did this.....how should I factor that cost in?

Geez, I'm Not Sure, Walt.

That's sorta like if you went and paid $15 to rent $100 from a payday lender so you wouldn't have to pay the $50-60 in bounced check fees 'cause you're a bit short this week. How would that math work?

tudorman, kiteing a rubber check

doesn't get much sympathy from me.  So you think that's what constitutes the majority of their business.......people writing rubber checks?

I Think Their Business Is Just That...Their Business

And the self-anointed know-it-alls should keep their noses out of it. And let's face it, those that become entrapped in a cycle of spiraling debt most likely need to learn how to curb their spending. They have poor financial habits and their situation is of their own doing. The grief wrought by their irresponsible behavior might just be the catalyst needed for them to get their act together.

Here's a thought...perhaps a study should be conducted to see how many of those who are caught in the "vicious cycle" of payday loans have a cell phone, air conditioning, Nintendo Wii, fancy car, and a complete disregard for sound financial judgment. Just once I'd like to see the TV camera pan out from one of these financial basket cases so we can get a look at what they have in their living room.

Meanwhile, the people who responsibly use payday lending as a quick, convenient, occasional source for small short term loans are being told how to spend their money and having their economic liberty beaten down by the big hammer of government.

tudorman, spoken like a true enabler

and of course you know how far enabling gets you.  Wasn't it congress who shirked their constitutional responsibility that enabled Bush to enter into an un-neccessary war?  How about the present morgage crisis....the banks lending money to and enabling those who they know couldn't pay.

 

to this day I wish that congress would have stuck their noses into Bush's Iraq business

Sorry, Walt, I Ain't Gonna Bite On Your Attempt To Redirect

Debate the issue, state your case. Tell me how you see it and why. Show me where you're coming from.

Throw me a bone with a bit of meat on it, for crying out loud.