FLASHBACK: BizzyBlog: DHS report labeling anti-abortionists extremists as domestic terrorist threat unwarranted
Submitted by modernesquire on Mon, 06/01/2009 - 5:32pm.
Yesterday, a medical doctor who performs legal abortions was murdered while escorting people to their pews in church. His wife, who sings in the choir, and others witnessed the murder.
Back in the spring, BizzyBoy was condemning a Department of Homeland Report about the domestic terrorist threat posed by right-wing extremists (a report Bizzy still conveniently fails to mention was begun in the Bush Administration).
From his April 16th "Lucid Links" post (I think he means Lurid Links):
DHS head Janet Napolitano is not backing off from her department’s report: “…. she stands by the report, which lists returning veterans among terrorist risks to the U.S.” . . . Other terrorist risks she stands by: “groups opposed to abortion and immigration,” and those who “reject …. federal authority in favor of state or local authority ….” Three other words to live by: Obama owns this.
Except that the report did not list returning veterans as a threat. It stated that returning veterans are a possible recruitment target for such organizations-- a viewpoint proven correct in the OKC bombing.
Obama owns this, Blumer says. How dare Obama suggest that those who oppose abortion and reject federal authority in the favor of state or local authority might be domestic terrorists, he said.
BizzyBoy yesterday, in describing Dr. Tiller's murderer and decrying any attempt by the media to link his murderer to the anti-abortion movement (citing the completely objective (snark) media organization/conservative propagandist "Pro-Life News"):
Authorities have apprehended a Kansas man suspected of killing late-term abortion practitioner George Tiller on Sunday morning at his church. Police have identified the man as 51-year-old Scott Roeder of Merriam, Kansas and he has been detained but has not yet been officially charged.
As has been the case with most previous incidents of abortion-related violence, Roeder appears to have an affiliation with extremist political groups but not with the mainstream pro-life movement.
Pro-life groups have quickly and genuinely condemned the Tiller shooting.
In 1996, officials in Kansas apparently stopped his vehicle for not having a valid license plate, which he removed as an act of anti-governmental protest. His license plate apparently had slogans such as “Private Property, Immunity Declared at Law, Non-Commercial American.”
According to the Kansas City Star, the FBI suspected Roeder of having ties with the Montana Freemen, a militia group, which had had standoffs with authorities.
Bizzy then goes onto say:
At the link within the report, Ertelt recites the following organizations that quickly condemned Tiller’s murder: Operation Rescue, Kansans for Life, Priests for Life, “pro-life activist Rev. Patrick Mahoney, members of the youth pro-life group Bound for Life, and others."
Here's how Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry "condemned" Tiller's murder (HT: TPM):
Concerned that his response left some ambiguity, Terry went to the Washington Press Club to elaborate:"George Tiller was a mass-murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God. I am more concerned that the Obama Administration will use Tiller's killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions. Abortion is still murder. And we still must call abortion by its proper name; murder.
"Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the Law of God. We must continue to expose them in our communities and peacefully protest them at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches."
Oh, and as to Bizzy's point that Dr. Tiller's killer had no ties to anti-abortion organizations?
Yeah, it turns out that was crap, too:
Roeder believed in "justifiable homicide" -- that is, that it's OK to kill those who facilitate abortions -- according to another anti-abortion activist, Regina Dinwiddie. Dinwiddie told McClatchy that in 1996, Roeder walked into a Kansas City Planned Parenthood clinic that was being picketed by protesters, and asked to see the doctor, Robert Crist.
Dinwiddie continued:
Robert Crist came out and he stared at him for approximately 45 seconds. Then he (Roeder) said, 'I've seen you now.' Then he turned his back and walked away, and they were scared to death.In addition, McClatchy reports, someone using the name Scott Roeder has posted anti-Tiller comments on several anti-abortion websites. One comment, posted in 2007, read:
It seems as though what is happening in Kansas could be compared to the 'lawlessness' which is spoken of in the Bible. Tiller is the concentration camp 'Mengele' of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgment upon our nation.That same year, another comment from "Scott Roeder" referred to a recent event organized by anti-Tiller activists in Wichita:
Bless everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp. Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn't seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.
Here's what the murderer's former militia "commander" said of him:
Morris Wilson, who during the mid 1990s was the commander of a group called the Kansas Unorganized Citizens' Militia said he knew Roeder well. "I'd say he's a good ol' boy except he was just so fanatic about abortion," said Wilson.
When militia commanders start calling someone a "fanatic" about abortion, the debate is over, Bizzy!
Why can't he just admit that he was wrong and the DHS was right? How many security measures were quashed because the politicization of this intelligence summary which, sadly, has been proven deadly accurate?
But if that's not enough to pull your hair out, then "Joe C." a frequent conservative commenter on the now defunct "Right Angle Blog" (which was affectionately called "RABid" here) and at BizzyBlog actually writes:
"Tiller’s murder, regardless of who did it, means nothing to me — sort of like when terrorists or drug dealers get killed. I’m not going to feign remorse just to make my views more palatable to the leftists who are responsible more for more innocent deaths than any abortionist."
When you start equating victims of terrorist with terrorists, you haven't just lost your mind as a conservative movement; you've lost your soul.
As of this writing, BizzyBoy has yet to condemn "Joe C."'s comment he approved for publication on his blog.
UPDATE: Eric at Plunderbund apparently beat me to the punch.
William Long
Submitted by JP7 on Wed, 06/03/2009 - 5:48pm.
William Long was shot and killed Monday by a man acting out of political reasons. So far, our Commander in Chief has said nothing about his fallen soldier.
Domestic Terrorism
Submitted by Schmennis on Wed, 06/03/2009 - 9:42pm.
I believe that Obama is silent on this because acknowledging it would cause the American public concern as it is domestic terrorism.
This is domestic terrorism by what would be classified as a home grown radical Muslim extremism.
As a former law enforcement officer, I am concerned also, because I think this is one reason why we shouldn't allow gitmo detainees in American prisons (other than supermax) because of the danger of radical extremist propagating their fundamental beliefs to other inmates.
Most African American Muslims are converted while incarcerated. Kent State did a study on this http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15245654
So there is evidence that radical Muslims look for recruits in prison http://garybaumgarten.blogspot.com/2009/05/recruiting-radical-muslims-in-prison.html
While many African Americans that are converted to Islam in prison find that it enriches their lives, the radical Muslims, enguaged in recruiting are usually enguaged in systematically identifying potential "soldiers" for their radical extreme beliefs and looking for "soldiers" to find their Holy war.
There is a divide between The Nation of Islam and the Muslim faith which Muslims have long wanted to reconcile.
Islam says it will rule the world by 2050.
Say good bye to all progress and ladies, give up those college educations, make-ups and voter rights and prepare to walk 10 paces behind your man!
I shudder to think how extreme radical Muslims would handle homosexuals, or late term abortion Dr's.
Scary!
CONSERVATIVES & MODERATES
When I heard about the Dr Tiller's murder I felt that hate and anger is going to eat up this country.
Firstly the issue abortion Yes it is evil to drop a baby which was conceived and believe me its a human the day it starts moving in the womb.
My friends I hear about abortion activists and anti abortion activists.
I usually think of the men and women who counter each other with the names mentioned.
I have never seen the so called anti abortionists(conservatives) nor the other group(Left) talking about morals of either a woman or a man.
We are humans aren't we then why behave like animals many of these so called anti abortionists(Conservatives) say they are Christians.
Then question pops up.
Doesn't the faith arrest them from being able to fulfill their desires like animals and then wanting to abandon the soul?
Why point a finger at Tiller ?
He is just engaged in his practice of medicine isn't he?
The so called moral police of the Christian groups recommends "CONDOMS", "PILLS". What ? Give me a breeak?
Does Christianity preach fornication and adultery?
Abstinence is the medicine and this is said to be implemented if and only if the man and woman realize what is chastity and modesty.
Chastity and modesty comes from fear of God who has created us as humans and given us all a code of behavior to live like civilized people and not like animals.
A dog or swine we all know they are after all animals and whenever and wherever they feel the need they fulfill their need by going to the females of their species.
Did God create us like that? NO
So why call someone a child killer, a fetus killer instead the killers are the woman and the man or the boy and girl who are the actual killers.
They are going against the human law given to us from the scriptures by fulfilling their desires with animalistic passion that drives them to satisfy their lust unmindful of the consequences out of wedlock. Example Single mothers and fathers Shame.
I always see the men and woman here believe in freedom of speech, thought and action then why do they want to kill a supporter Tiller the Fetus Killer (courtesy Reilly of FOX News(ence)
In other words it means morality is out politics and sloganeering and lace it with religion to tap the emotions of the onlookers.
Is this hypocrisy in the name of religion ? Or just a camouflage to prove see we are the moral police for the rest of the world and this code of conduct does not apply to us.
Readers please pardon me for the language in case it is offensive but remember truth is always bitter to swallow.
Do correct me in case I am wrong.