DeWine attacks Brown as weak on terror

This is one of the reasons I am demoralized by Brown's vote. I think everyone knows that had Brown been running for reelection in the 13th he was a strong reliable NO vote on the torture bill. We all know, and some express it that he voted yes as a political calculation to somehow insulate himself from "weak on national security" attacks.

Well this email from DeWine just landed in my eBag

"Again, the voting records of Mike DeWine and Congressman Brown demonstrate they are polar opposites when it comes to the importance of national security and intelligence funding. Repeatedly voting to slash intelligence funding, Congressman Brown's rhetoric and his record confirm his disinterest and lack of understanding of national security matters. Amazingly, year after year, when Republicans and Democrats addressed the threat of global terrorism, Congressman Brown voted time after time to cut the Nation's intelligence resources.

"Mike DeWine is fighting to keep us safe and has worked diligently and effectively during his tenure on the Senate Intelligence Committee to make sure that those trying to prevent terrorist attacks have the necessary resources they need to do their jobs."

I don't know when folks are going to start to get it. Republicans are going to use this line however you vote. Democrats and Republicans are always going to have different voting records, it's why there are Democrats and Republicans !

You simply cannot inoculate yourself from having a different voting record. And this triangulation BS that Democrats keep trying weakens them. It makes them wishy washy, untrustworthy. That then feeds into the whole narrative the GOP construct anyway.

Sherrod Brown didn't avoid any of that yesterday. By constantly running from these issues instead of making a true case, once again Democrats look weak in the eyes of the voters. This vote was a net negative for Brown. Instead of worrying about how some swing voters might have voted he now should be very worried about how many in his base might not bother.

If anyone thinks that's hyperbole they ought to go look at the primary numbers again to see just how many Democrats had reservations to begin with, and now just had them reinforced.

If you're going to campaign on principles you have to have some. Just wanting to win, in fact, not wanting to lose, which is what that vote was, isn't principled at all.

If DeWine has any brains and independence at all he would vote against Bush on this bill in the Senate, then run ads that Brown is pro-torture, anti constitution, far out of the mainstream of American Values. That's exactly what I would have done to DeWine then let him defend it.

If you think that is remote, maybe, but consider it's what happened with the defense bill that had ANWR drilling in it. Brown voted for ANWR drilling because he didn't want a "didn't support the troops" vote to be hanging out there. DeWine made the smart independent play and voted to block ANWR drilling and got accolades for it.

Where's Browns ads accusing DeWine of being against the troops ? Isn't that what he was afraid would happen to him ? See, this whole exercise in triangulation and being a bed wetting wimp worried what the GOP will do is all bullshit.

Democrats need to vote their principles, make their case and trust the voters. Everyone said Russ Feingold would be buried after being the only one to vote against the Patriot act. He won reelection overwhelmingly and can now speak on these issues with moral clarity.

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Remember Kerry? Max Cleland?

Let me explain something to those of you who think Brown had no choice but to support the torture bill:

First, the fact that Brown supported this atrocity demonstrates to me both his lack of conscience and his lack of understanding of the fundamental principles upon which this country was conceived and founded.

But so what? Some of you are arguing that his vote had to be a pragmatic one instead of a principled one, because, poor thing, he had to protect himself against those dastardly Republicans and their negative ads. You argue that he didn't give up his ethical standards and courage; he only suspended them -- presumably until he gets elected.

Sure folks, I'll agree that Brown must have thought that he has insulated himself against attacks from the GOP. He may also have thought that he will pick up a few rightwing votes since he can now claim that he's tough on terrorists.

Well, then he's not just immoral and cowardly but also an idiot. Does he really think that anything, ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING, he may do, or not do, will insulate him from attacks from the GOP that will question his patriotism, his sanity and his sexuality -- and likely all three at once? And does he think that any voter who's already for authoritarianism and for torture and against our Constitutional freedoms is going to dump DeWine for him? How long has this guy been involved in politics? Is it possible that he's so incredibly naïve and stupid?

Remember Kerry? Max Cleland? Vietnam vets, decorated and wounded in the line of fire. Neither their biography nor their voting record insulated them against GOP attacks questioning their patriotism. With his pro-torture vote Brown has done nothing to prevent attacks on his national security credentials and patriotism.

I'll tell you, though, what he has accomplished: Providence handed him the opportunity to show he is a leader and a statesman but he will be remembered as supporting barbarism, as voting for one of the most infamous pieces of legislation in this country's history, and of being a participant in the destruction of the US Constitution. Plus, ironically, his vote will cost him votes and may even cost him the election since he has managed to alienate his most ardent supporters.

I've been a lifelong Democrat and have contributed and worked on national and Ohio campaigns for the Democratic Party since 1988. I've had many disappointments but I was never disheartened. That's it. It's over. The torture bill that just passed is unethical, unconstitutional and un-American. Anyone who voted for it, or did not fight against it, does not represent my values and my interests any longer. I could hold my nose and still vote for Brown. But I'm afraid the stench is too strong.

Neither Brown -- nor Strickland with his abstention -- nor the Democratic party and its cowardly leadership have my support, in any way shape or form. I am no longer a Democrat and will no longer support the Democratic Party.

Exactly right, Aris

There is NO vote that will innoculate a Democratic candidate against vicious GOP attacks. If there is no material, they will make it up. They will lie about and distort voting records, bios, past associations etc. I mean, doesn't anyone rememeber little tricks such as creating fake photos of Kerry and Jane Fonda side by side?

I won't say I'm not a Democrat and will NEVER support Democrats. I think Ted Strickland (much as his bankruptcy bill vote annoys me) is a strong gubernatorial candidate (and the alternative is unthinkable). I love Brunner, Dann, Sykes and Cordray. I think Espy and O'Neill would be excellent for the Supreme Court. There are plenty of congressional candidates I could wholeheartedly support if I were in their districts. In fact, I'm considering going to a Vic Wulsin fundraising here in Cleveland next week since my own congresswoman needs no help.

I also don't hold all Democrats responsible for the actions of one (Joe Lieberman, anyone?)

But I think that a candidate with strength, conviction and imagination could have made a vote against this bill into a selling point. We must stop believing that the Republicans are too pwoerful to resist.

My vote for Brown was ultra-shaky anyway. I just decided last week I'd probably vote for him. This has cast me back into the "none of the above" category.

But DeWine didn't vote that way

From the Washington Post: In a key vote on an amendment sponsored by Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), the Senate voted 51 to 48 against deleting from the bill a provision that rules out habeas corpus petitions for foreigners held in the war on terrorism. The writ of habeas corpus, which is enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, allows people to challenge in court the legality of their detention, essentially meaning that they cannot be held indefinitely without charge or trial. Guess how DeWine voted.

I know

I know. It's why DeWine is in a close election and not a blow out. He really isn't independent. It's why Brown make an error and is unable to run TV ads with Abu Ghariab photo's saying DeWine likes torture, and snooping on Americans and all that BS over the past few years.

This is spot on

One thing about the Rove playbook is that it doesn't change based upon what his opponent does. They're going to run this play until they get voted out of office, and no tough guy posturing will change that. The only response is to meet them head on. Since it's pure bluster it is possible to win against it.