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Obama a Class Act? Not so Much...

DelCo Dem — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:21:02 -0700

Maybe the Gallup Daily tracking is taking a snapshot of the reaction to Obama flippin' Hillary off in front of a crowd while discussing his abysmal performance in the PA debate. Or maybe it is just reflective of his sucky debate performance.

Obama's debate perfomance wasn't impressive; his petulent hand gesture to Hillary the next day was embarassingly immature for a presidential candidate.

Gallup Daily: Clinton 46%, Obama 45%

Magi1 — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:48:56 -0700

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106606/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-46-Obama-45.aspx PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking shows that Hillary Clinton now receives 46% of the support of Democrats nationally, compared to 45% for Barack Obama, marking the first time Obama has not led in Gallup's daily tracking since March 18-20. What is going on?

"Republicans don't need black voters, but they want them. Democrats don't want black voters, but they need them" - Rev. Jesse Jackson

Who doesn't love , Low, Low, Prices?

Schmennis — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:49:22 -0700

I appreciate companies like Rubbermaid, but how do we compete with Chinese manufacturing when they ACCEPT these jobs for low wages.

Slave labor or not, American producers must get smarter with products that we manufacture. Paying people in the U.S. with HIGH standards of living $20 per hour to stamp out plastic tubs MAKES NO SENSE when developing nations can offer cheap labor. I don't agree with slave labor practices.

To the chagrin of liberal democrats, The United States of America is the greatest nation on the planet, in the history of the world, and that's all Rubbermaid in Marysville can manufacture is plastic tubs?

2000plus jobs worth of plastic tubs??????

Companies like Rubber Maid SHOULD move to Mexico or China so we can move on to BETTER MORE TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED JOBS. Oh, like WINDMILL DESIGN AND MANUFACTURE.

Ignorant, mindless, repetitive jobs that can be done by uneducated people need to move OUT of the way, along with the LABOR unions that support them, and the labor unions that seek the destruction of Wal-Mart.

Americans LOVE Wal-Mart...if they didn't they wouldn't shop there.

Who doesn't love , Low, Low, Prices?

Just ANOTHER REASON TO SUPPORT HILLARY. She "gets" me.

ps. Michelle Obama was on the board of a company that SUPPLIES Wal-Mart. Obama called hypocrite for wife's Wal-Mart connection.

Hillary Hammers China Trade, Bill Took $1.25 Mil From Chinese

JeanLR — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:14:11 -0700

read here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/18/hillary-hammers-china-tra_n_97385.html

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And Hillary has the nerve to call obama out for being on a board with a guy from an irrelevent, even then, gourp of chic radical posers, of whom Bill pardoned 2 others, yet no one wants to talk about what she was doin on the board of WalMart while that company was forcing Ohio businesses, like Rubbermaid, to compete with Chinese slave labor shops~

Yes, but is North Carolina a

andro — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:48:47 -0700

Yes, but is North Carolina a true reflection of the demographic electorate that Obama will need to win in November? North Carolina is composed of a lot of those downscale voters that are voting for Obama in the south, from Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Virginia, and North Carolina. Are these states expected to go blue? Hardly. I don't think North Carolina is much of an argument. In fact, you take away those states and his delegate lead is only 40+, or you add Michigan and Florida to Sen. Clinton's total and his lead is only 70-80.

Am I on drugs? How about commissioning Ken Starr to find that out for ya. I bet you'll find determinations to the contrary. At least the candidate I support hasn't admitted such and doesn't look like she is. Are you on the media?

The Clinton's took us to hell? I thought it was the best decade in America? Is there any connection to where John McCain's money is going and the ongoing DNC primary? I don't know. Maybe the GOP has seen the light and willing to give back their tax cuts, capital gains cuts, and all the like to sing kumbaya with the Hamas loving, Iran sympathizing, Jeremiah Wright clone Obama. I dunno.

republicansforobama.org

<<<<<<<A torrent of secret money is flooding into the leading presidential campaigns, with more than $118 million, or one-quarter of the total raised in this cycle, banked without disclosure of who gave the funds or where the donations originated.

The money is coming from hundreds of thousands of donations of $200 or less, which have been widely praised for democratizing the system for funding White House bids. However, the surge in low-dollar gifts has come at the cost of transparency, since federal law only requires campaigns to itemize donations when a donor gives more than $200.

According to an analysis being released today by a Washington think tank, the Campaign Finance Institute, Senator Obama of Illinois led the pack with such small and secret donations, pulling in about $31 million during 2007.

www2.nysun.com/article/71113>>>>>

Einhorn is Finkel! Finkel is Einhorn!

Double

Magi1 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:04:44 -0700

Double Post

Gwen ... a worthless

Magi1 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:18:38 -0700

Gwen ... a worthless pollster ... you should have fired her ... but once again, it's not what you know, but who you know.

"Republicans don't need black voters, but they want them. Democrats don't want black voters, but they need them" - Rev. Jesse Jackson

Polling....

Schmennis — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:48:04 -0700

As an experienced campaign manager I can tell you, polling can say what candidates WANT them to say.

Polls mean so little because PEOPLE LIE to pollsters. I have seen expertly constructed polling questions put before voters showing support for a particular issue, then when the election takes place, BAM! complete and total loss.

People answer questions depending on what they think the right answer SHOULD BE!

Polling is useful but I have seen occasions when polling questions lead the audience into answering the questions to the desired answer.

Hi, I'm Shequanda from the center for African American Fairness in Voting. And I have some questions for you if you have some time.....

In a recent poll 61% of ALL voters are now saying they will vote for Obama in the Pennsylvania primary. Will you be supporting Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama in the upcoming primary ?

1. Who's doing the asking?

2. Who doing the polling?

3. What information do they give to influence my answer?

4. What is the expected answer?

Oh, certainly YOU can count on my vote...then when they go to the polls BAM they vote against how they answered in the poll.

Polling is like weather forecasting.....why is it when meteorologist say 30% chance of rain..IT ALWAYS RAINS?????

Polling is also used to INFLUENCE voters.

I saw a funny cartoon once, it said....Hi, I'm here to tell you what I THINK!

If anyone is interested in polling and influence there is a book called "The AGE of PROPAGANDA The Everyday Use and Abuse of Persuasion."

Guilt by association game

JeanLR — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:36:41 -0700

A Tale of Two Houses: How the Clintons and Bushes Took Us to Hell

...The House of Clinton and the House of Bush are deeply intertwined, in their policies, their philosophies, their politics, even their personal lives: witness the extraordinary "adoption" of Bill Clinton as a surrogate son by the elder George Bush and his wife. This rapprochement is usually attributed to the respect and friendliness that Clinton showed Bush during their goodwill trip to aid the tsunami victims, and perhaps this did spark a more personal affection between the men. But their relationship began much earlier, in a mysterious circumstance that still cries out for further explication: the fact that during their contest for the presidency in 1992, both Clinton and Bush shared the same major Arkansas financier Jackson Stephens. (More on this fascinating éminence grise here.)

After his narrow victory, Clinton then proceeded to shut down the still on-going investigations into the corruption and crimes of his predecessor. Iran-Contra, BCCI, and especially Bush's massive, secret and often illegal efforts to arm Saddam Hussein and supply him with material for chemical weapons – all of these probes were cut off, starved or shunted aside by the Clinton Administration. (For more, see Robert Parry on "The Clintons' Real Trouble With the Truth.")

Also thwarted were probes into the "October Surprise" – the 1980 negotiations between the Reagan campaign camp, including Bush, with the Iranians who were holding American hostages....
http://www.lewrockwell.com/floyd/floyd62.html

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If the Mr and Mrs Clinton and Howard Wolfson want to make "guilt by association" an acceptable campaign strategy, and even Mccain has renounced these kinds of attacks, the Hillary will have to worry about her and her husbands associations with criminals he has pardoned, like Marc Rich, Chinese fundraisers and convicted felons and mass drug dealers like Jorge Cabrera who have supported them and they returned the favor. Just like with all the corporate money now paying Bills "speaking fees", yes someone's speech alone is worth a $million, there's no quid pro quo, yeah right!

Every poll, right up to and

Magi1 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:01:31 -0700

Every poll, right up to and during the election, will always show a Dem beating a Rep. But those who have actually been around for a while know that DEMS POLL BETTER THAN THEY ACTUALLY DO IN THE ELECTIONS - it's a fact ... why this happens could be chalked up to various reason. If a pollster calls me and asks questions this year about who I'm going to vote for I will hang up. Why? Because I crossed party lines and voted for Hillary and I don't want to get caught in some unnannounced, Marc Dann, "Wag the Dog inspired" net to grab "Operation Chaos" primary crossovers. What are the chances of this actually happening? Slim, but I'd rather be safe than sorry as would most Republicans. I really think the polls will show the Democratic candidate in the lead and then on election night the Republicans will somehow steal the victory. A word to the wise ... DON'T TRUST THE POLLS!

"Republicans don't need black voters, but they want them. Democrats don't want black voters, but they need them" - Rev. Jesse Jackson

ROTFLMAO! andro, you're a piece of work

BuckeyeNation — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:40:27 -0700

Faux News "shilling for Obama?"

THAT is a knee-slapper!

It undermines any credibility you have; assuming you have any.

Popular vote lead? Are you on drugs?

SONGster — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:37:48 -0700

1. PPP has Obama ahead by 3 points in Pennsylvania today.

2. Clinton lags by 2% nationally in popular vote. To recapture the lead in Pennsylvania, she'd have to get something like 90% of the vote.

3. Obama is up by about 20 points in North Carolina. Because it's an open primary, more people are expected to vote in NC than in PA. Therefore, after NC, Obama's popular vote lead will have increased.

4. Popular vote is meaningless in the nomination process because caucus state totals are only estimates and are not comparable to the totals in primary states. Superdelegates understand this and will go only by the pledged delegate totals. Anyway, Obama will lead in both at the end.

Get real.

"Thank you for your vote on

andro — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:06:50 -0700

"Thank you for your vote on the Cheney Energy Bill. We had your back until you got an insurmountable primary delegate lead. Our knowledge of organization and direct mailing paid off in the caucuses. Thanks for taking care of the Clinton's for us."

Fox News Shilling For Obama...

andro — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:59:25 -0700

FOX News is reporting Hillary Clinton told Bill Clinton supposedly in 1995 concerning working class Whites, "screw 'em." This is pure hearsay. Another Jerry Falwell defamation like accusation that would not even hold up in court. They should stick to what they discovered after $75 million of wasted taxpayer money--Bill Clinton is into women. Of course, the lunatic fringe of FOX News and Barack Obama would have not attempted to use this although it's been available for awhile because it's purely fictional, but they are desperate now.

Even if she did say it, it was directed at Republicans all while she didn't disparage working class culture, and the facts just support who is really on the working class's side. This just reminds us of the 90's, when peace flourished and the economy prospered. The bears have to find something to trash and defame because Clinton stands to capture the popular vote lead in Pennsylvania. Stay tuned for more FOX News shilling for Obama.

Who's attacking whom?

JeanLR — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:16:57 -0700

You're trying to say that Obama is "attacking" Clinton with GOP tactics, yet isn't it Hillary who is teaming up with McCain in attacking Obama for being "elitist"?

As for gas prices, it is Obama that is running an ad showing Hillary's comments against him and demostrating that it is he that cares abour talking about gas prices and other important daily issues and it's Hillary and John McCain doing the DEMAGOGUERY, and that's what it is too, plainly said, these attacks are baseless appeals to people's emotions.

Ronald Reagan was presented to the voters as this Wild West Cowboy Regular Gun God Guy, while all the time he was presiding over the beginning of the end of the American Middle Class.

Karl Rove took those lessons and got the cheerleading preppie to buy a Texas ranch and chop wood so the common folk will think that the Bush family, and thier pork rinds and distaste for broccoli, are just like us workin' folks.

They will convince us all that they will be our protectors against the liberals who are trying to ruin everything by letting the gays run loose. Meanwhile they loot the treasury and ship our capital infrastucture to Communist China.

This attack against Obama, this child of a single mother who, against all odds, is standing where he is today, and he didn't MARRY his way to the top, and he didn't earn anything till he wrote 2 books, which he did before he was famous and without an $8 million forward, an attack against him as "elitist" and out-of-touch by Mrs. Clinton and John McCain, who are surrounded with the MarkPenns of the world (nice Colombia trade deal, Mr. Clinton, enjoy the $800,000 payoff), an attack like this is as cynical and insulting to the voters of this country as anything I've ever heard.

Why don't you two just make out already!

blech!

Is the Middle Class Angry & Bitter?

Nick D — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:58:20 -0700

Modern's complete fabrication of Obama's now infamous "bitter" comments inspired me to post this excerpt from the book Journey to Nowhere: The Saga of the New Underclass. This book chronicles the travels of workers victimized by deindustrialization, traveling the country in search of work in the early 1980's and finding none. Then, in the mid-90's, the authors retraced their steps and tracked down some of the same people for an afterward. This book inspired Bruce Springsteen's ballad Youngstown because the beginning of the book examines in detail the Mahoning Valley's loss of steel jobs in the late 70s and early 80s. Here is the excerpt from the afterward:

Anger remains, deep and bitter. Someone slips us one of the steelworker's pipe bombs. The bomb is the workers' expression of outrage at the loss of the middle class social fabric. Leveraged buyouts and downsizing are very good to the few who make millions of dollars and live in luxury at the expense of thousands of workers. Such decisions were increasingly made in the 1990s without regard for places like the Mahoning Valley. So, men and some women turn to rocks, guns, and bombs, ready to kill and die.
But can this anger be channeled away from violence into a new kind of politics? John Russo, professor of labor studies at Youngstown State University, looks at history and sees a dire lesson.
"There's a lot of anger in working people," John says. "It's not unlike the anger in prewar Germany and prewar Italy. In the 1930's, America could have gone in either direction," he says, meaning towards the reforms of Franklin Delano Roosevelt or towards extreme ultranationalism. During the Great Depression, Father Charles Coughlin and his radio hate ministry thrived and had some nine million listeners; a number of Americans supported Adolf Hitler. But Roosevelt came along and stopped it all. Russo points out that initially both the communists and the capitalists hated Roosevelt. But, the capitalists allowed themselves to be saved by Roosevelt, because communism was at that time a credible threat. "There had been the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia 15 years earlier," Russo notes. Now, there's no threat from the left. Capitalism has nothing to worry about.
"That's why history does not replay itself. The current debate is narrow, because the possibilities have been reduced." Russo fears the anger will instead be channeled into right-wing hate.

Gosh, Modern. Sounds to me like Obama had it right.