Buckeye State Blog - Hey modern.....are you "sleep-deprived" too? - Comments

i've been up all night

RMC2000 — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:01:05 -0700

so i'm a little grouchy, but i have a question: when is someone (besides chris matthews) going to call a spade a spade and come out and say that hillary clinton has no more experience than barack obama, and that being the spouse of a government official is not the same as being that official? and if you agree that she doesn't have that experience, what unique quality does she bring to the table (other than a sharp intellect)? i guess my question boils down to: why does hillary clinton deserve to be president of this country?

Bill has an open door with

Magi1 — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:20:13 -0700

Bill has an open door with many black leaders, Al Sharpton is on the show ALL THE TIME ... Bill does 'care' about the black plight ... he feels that liberals view them as children that need to be 'taken care of' ... that is racist and bigoted! Raise your expectations of black people and they will join white/asian/latino society ... tell them they can't do it without your help and they will suck your nipple.

Are you forgetting something?

nzbobster — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:28:57 -0700

In 2004, gay marriage bans succeeded in every state they were put on the ballot, meaning that neither Blacks nor Whites favored it. Using a statistic put together by a journalist who couldn't care less about minority demographic trends does not make any sense, and is a sign of ethnic ignorance at best and bigotry at worst.

Dr ... do you have more

Magi1 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:04:24 -0700

Dr ... do you have more accurate figures? What % of black voters support gay marriage? Enlighten me!

"Republicans don't need black voters, but they want them. Democrats don't want black voters, but they need them" - Rev. Jesse Jackson

I've never stated or implied

BuckeyeNation — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:31:08 -0700

that the Wright story has no legs with segments of the electorate, or that it won't be used by the Repub smear-machine. But it's total BS to argue that we should all jump on the Hillary bandwagon because "the swiftboaters are gonna get 'em" with replaying Rev. Wright stories ad nauseam.

If you want to go down that road that this is why Clinton should be the nominee, then consider the fact that Clinton has so much baggage that Repubs will almost be hard-pressed to decide which of the many lines of attack they will use against her. Trustworthiness, ala the numerous "I brought peace to Northern Ireland" or the Bosnia-ducking-snipers canards, are two of the more recent examples of this 800 lb. gorilla Clinton carries around. This theme would be used, and it would be devastatingly effective.

All I'm saying is that the people who stoke this story are people who don't like or hate Obama, like self-proclaimed "Democrat" Taylor Marsh and her sycophant echo-chamber of Clintonista-Obama-haters and their ilk.

Unlike prior Democratic candidates who hoped Willie Horton or the swiftboaters would "go away," the Obama team is always quick on responding to attacks. The attacks will be countered and the portion of the electorate who will decide this election will see it to be the divisive racial BS that it is.

70% of black children born out of wedlock

Schmennis — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:35:22 -0700

Sadly, a recent study suggest that now, almost 70 percent of black children are born out of wedlock.

Apparently your 83 % are against any type of marriage.

You expect

Nick D — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:27:06 -0700

Magi, if you expect anyone on this blog to take seriously anything written by the Frank Burns of news, you need to go have another beer or something.

Or because the response was messy

modernesquire — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:16:47 -0700

Such as portion of Obama's speech that actually dealt with Wright. Look I know I'm not going to convince you or Tim that the Wright story isn't a non-story. That every night until election night you're going to bed repeating this line that last Tuesday's speech put the Wright matter away as an issue and this is somehow different from Willie Horton or the Swiftboats.

But I think that's all crap. It's going to be used, it's going to be effective, and it's going to be added to the list of Willie Horton, Swiftboats... etc, as unfair Republican attacks that completely sunk a Democratic Presidential campaign.

The problem with the Swiftboats, Willie Horton and 527s wasn't

BuckeyeNation — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:12:20 -0700

because they happened or will happen again.

It became a problem because they were never promptly responded to when they occurred.

We've never had a presidential candidate

modernesquire — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:07:47 -0700

Whose actual and longtime spiritual advisor openly preached that AIDS and drugs was a government conspiracy against one particular race and that America was responsible for 9/11 before. So, it's a little hard to use historical precedent as a guide here.

It may seem unfair since Obama has renounced the controversial statements, but petty? Really? I don't think it'll come off as petty.

And I think it'll work even better than Willile Horton or the Swift Boats.

Is there a risk? Yeah, but there's also a big chance for a huge reward, too. And that risk is one that the GOP has historically been all too willing to take time and time again.

But, maybe you agree with Tim that the party of Willie Horton who can now hide behind anonymous 527s instead of associating it with McCain directly will be too gun shy to raise Wright. But I see absolutely no evidence of it, and a lot of evidence to the contrary.

my point isn't that it's race baiting

RMC2000 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:49:40 -0700

my point is that attacks on someone's spiritual advisor risk backlash and seem petty, and i'm fairly sure we've never seen anything like that.

Bil O'Reilly's book 'Culture

Magi1 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:28:44 -0700

Bil O'Reilly's book 'Culture Warrior' claims that only 17% of black voters support same-sex marriage ... are black people homophobes? If 83% of black people are against same-sex marriage, where is the outcry from the democratic party against those bigoted black people AMOUNG THEIR OWN RANKS? Obama doesn't even support same-sex marriage! What is influencing Obama's moral compass on this issue? ... this homophobic 'hate' thought against the LGBT community? Could it be from Pastor Wright? It's one thing for a conservative pastor to preach fire and brimstone about LBGT issues ... but for a liberal pastor to go after them? Where is the outrage?

Yeah...

modernesquire — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:45:03 -0700

I remember how much the Willie Horton ad hurt G.H.W.B.'s image, or how Helms regularly used outrageous race-baiting ads in his re-election bids which hurt his image nationally.

I also remember that despite all the howling, they both won.

I don't think people are going to sudden have sympathy you're claiming. It hasn't so far.

query

RMC2000 — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:37:49 -0700

while it's true that the wright story hurt obama to some degree as a news item, is there a way to craft an attack ad using wright's words in such a way as to cause enough harm to outweigh the inevitable sympathy raised by such an attack? while i have no doubts that many will try, off the top of my head, i can't think of a way to attack one's spiritual advisor without causing more harm than good to the attacking party's cause. that being said, attacking obama on the basis of wright's more inflammatory words is likely to have significant repercussions in that it will inevitably heighten racial sensitivities by raising questions as to whether, on balance, america has been a good deal for african americans. my guess is that the answer to this question will generally split along racial lines. if this becomes a key campaign issue in the way that kerry's military service became an issue, then granny bar the door, because 2008 will make 1968 look like schoolyard shenanigans

Parse much?

modernesquire — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:28:44 -0700

I've never seenn so much attention to a comment that was already struck thru before it was criticized. I could have easily just erased it. The rest of my comment is true.

If Clinton is Judas for this, then isn't Obama for going on Faux Noise? Where do you draw the Judas line?

And if you honestly think that the conservatives aren't going to use Wright in 527s ads this fall and that it won't work, you are wrong.

But keeping telling yourself that Wright is a non-story and that one speech last week erased it from being an issue. I guess we'll see before November which one pans out.

Hey modern.....are you "sleep-deprived" too?

Tim Russo — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:08:34 -0700

Here's the meeting from yesterday with Hillary and Scaife, a man who still thinks Hillary killed Vince Foster, put him in a trunk, and drove Foster's body to a park to dispose of it.

Oh...and here's the "newspaper"'s account of the meeting.

Clinton made the comments during a 90-minute interview with Trib reporters and editors. Also in attendance was Tribune-Review owner Richard M. Scaife, who sat directly to Clinton's right during the meeting. The Tribune-Review was a frequent critic of former President Bill Clinton's administration.

Maybe you've been under a bit too much sniper fire, modern.